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Caller ID Spoofing: Dying?

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Last night on my local news, they did a segment about Caller ID spoofing. They explained how it's being used by telemarketers, bill collectors, "hackers", and criminals. They were interviewing a guy that works for Verizon in Boston, and he said that they have equipment that can detect Caller ID spoofing. What happends is, when this equipment detects spoofed Caller ID data, it sends "Out Of Area" as the CNAM information. He went on about how he hopes other phone companies will implement this equipment soon. It looks like this will be the end of Caller ID spoofing in Massachusetts...

I wish I had this segment on tape...

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YO, this is pretty wild!! Do you really think they can detect this?!?! Im kind of iffy on this. I think theyre full of shit. I think maybe they could detect random things, such as 1-6 digit number, 8-9 digit numbers, 10 digit numbers all with the same digits (666-666-6666), and shit like that. But i dont think they could detect that 212-867-5309 isnt really calling Fenway Park.

But hey you know what you SHOULD DO RIGHT AWAY!?!? Call up the local news station that you saw this on and say you would like to get a copy of that broadcast. They may not give it to you for free but im pretty sure they do shit like this. Also id really like to get that guys name who was interviewed....Id like to give him a call....

Is there an article about this on their website? I wanna see this!!!

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They're full of shit,Plus its illegal for telemarketers to spoof their caller id.

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But hey you know what you SHOULD DO RIGHT AWAY!?!? Call up the local news station that you saw this on and say you would like to get a copy of that broadcast. They may not give it to you for free but im pretty sure they do shit like this. Also id really like to get that guys name who was interviewed....Id like to give him a call....

Their site usually has the entire news broadcasts available to stream. Once this one is on there, I will post the link.

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Their site usually has the entire news broadcasts available to stream. Once this one is on there, I will post the link.

vox, what station was this on? NECN?

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Their site usually has the entire news broadcasts available to stream. Once this one is on there, I will post the link.

vox, what station was this on? NECN?

No, WHDH 7 News.

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No, WHDH 7 News.

Dooh, I'm sorry I missed it, I'll have to watch their site.

They probably got a Verizon Tech from the office that is (quite literally) across the street from their office. BSTNMABO, for those of you curious.

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damn it...they have up all the new ones up on the website now that were before the 6 o clock news on thursday!! ARGH! :grr: so maybe theyll be putting up this one tonight or tomorrow! It was the 6pm one right?

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damn it...they have up all the new ones up on the website now that were before the 6 o clock news on thursday!! ARGH! :grr: so maybe theyll be putting up this one tonight or tomorrow! It was the 6pm one right?

Nope, it was the 11:00 PM edition.

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:blink: i bet its bull shit... unless they got some thing rigged.. becuase whats gunna happen when you call 1010228 ? and you call some one else? its gunna block that number from appearing... and still they will probably be away around it ...
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10102880 doesnt really have anything to do with this tho. its different. 10102880 is useful for changing your ani/cpn when calling things like 800 numbers. when u make calls using 1010288 it sets the the ani/cpn to nothing. its just blank. i dont know exactly what shows up when if you were to get a call from someone using it but it would probably just be blank or say unavailable anyways.

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The only thing I can think of is the CO is looking at the BTN(ANI) and if the BTN is a 'known' ANI used for spoofing(i.e. Bevocal's ANI would probably be known for spoofing) then they set the CNAM to say out of area, but this doesn't really help any for 2 reasons;

1) the phone number is still being spoofed!, unless they're actually sending Out of Area to the end user w/o phone number.

2) Even if they're sending 'out of area', you could spoof to your cellphone, a calling card, or something else that passes CPN, and have that forwarded to your target, it's doubtful that some obscure calling card or cellphone pseudo ANI would be a 'known ANI' for spoofing. Sending "Out Of Area"s to the end user is pointless anyways, it brings us right back to the dark age of not knowing who's calling, which spoofing in it's self does. Why oh Why do we have Caller ID? someone please tell me! Oh btw, Vonmag put their article I wrote for them up for online viewing;

http://www.vonmag.com/issue/2004/sepoct/columns/lucky225.htm

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I think it's going a bit far to say that there's no benefit to this. If the caller id is spoofed, then the called party thinks they know who's calling, when they don't. If they revert to "out of area", then at least the called party knows that they shouldn't answer the phone with a long series of explictives, since they don't know who's calling.

I think i know how they know who's spoofing though. They just listen for a 2600 blast.

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thats kind of weird if a switch is setting its own CNAM entries for outside numbers. is that possible even?

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I can't wait for them to put that video up. I really want to watch it again. All I know is, the guy's name from Verizon they were interviewing is Jack Hoey.

He can be contacted at:

617-743-4760

or

john.p.hoey@verizon.com

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well is it jack or john??

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damn wtf. that news stations website sucks. they have shit up from last friday now, but the 6 and 11 ones come up file not found. wtf.

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Today WHDH uploaded new editions to their site. They skipped 10/14/04's 11:00 PM edition, and put up 10/21/04's edition instead. I'm pissed off. :angry:

If anyone really wants to find out more about this, try contacting Jack Hoey via the contact methods I posted earlier...

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So who wants to make a bet that either verizon security or the secret service read this and contacted WHDH and told them itd be in verizon's best interest if they didnt post this segment!?!

Coincidence? I think not.

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The 2 possible ways I think they could know is. Detecting the class of service. Or seeing if the realtime is matched with the CPN. Or if there is no realtime at all.

Detecting the class of service would be kind of lame because you can easily still spoof with 00 if you spoof with voip to a pots pbx to call out that passes CPN. And PRI lines you can still spoof with.

Detecting to see if there is a realtime and if its matched with the CPN would be dumb too because VoIP services are such noobs they dont have realtime. Or if they do it's only coming off number for everyone on the network. So of course CPN wouldn't match with ANI.

So what they will do is make Caller ID spoofing laws and start charging people if caught caller spoofing. haha

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I can't wait for them to put that video up. I really want to watch it again. All I know is, the guy's name from Verizon they were interviewing is Jack Hoey.

He can be contacted at:

617-743-4760

or

john.p.hoey@verizon.com

Im calling right now...........

Ok HIs cell is 6176991318 and he is fjeering,he wont answer to 911 or his own number

Geuss I must trick him and call from his office.Its sunday and Im sure he's fearing now so Ill wait until tomorrow.

Did they say that this is now in affect?B/c I have no problem spoofing to his work and cell with no btn.

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hahah n00b! dont make him fj33r. actually talk to him and try to sound professional about this shit and how it works.

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hahah n00b! dont make him fj33r. actually talk to him and try to sound professional about this shit and how it works.

I know I know,I do just want to talk to him and find out what the hell they are doing.

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