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At my collage, When money is inserted you get a tone quite similar to 2600. but not quite. I have found that after hooking up to the phone, and recording the tone on my laptop. (to maintain the quality) and then playing it directly back in. Does absolutley nothing. So! to pursue this matter. I tried some of the 2600 tones...still nothing. So. It would seem that redboxing would work. but it doesn't....as for that recording....very nice. finding one of those phones is hard...so..just buy a linemans handset..or find one...and just use that...much easier...not as cool..but eaiser.

Oh dear. I've gone cross eyed.

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lol. redboxing has nothing to do with 2600 hertz tones. and the payphone you were trying it on was prolly a COCOT and you cant redbox cocots to begin with because they dont use ACTS.

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OK for WhiteSword TV E4 im going to do some redboxing so you all can see that it works

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Maybe you should have someone else do it on camera, since it isn't exactly legal.

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Okay, I stand corrected there are places where red boxing works. However, I am pretty sure most payphones do not accept coins for long-distance calls, making red boxing only effective for local calls. I THINK. I could be wrong, tell me if I am I would be curious. All I know is that this is how the phones in my area are.

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It boils down to things called LATAs (Local Access Transport Areas) - regions defined during the 1984 Bell System divestiture within which onlya local operating company was allowed to carry traffic and between which only an interexchange carrier was allowed to carry traffic (although these divisions are becoming more and more irrelevant as time goes on). Since AT&T pulled out of the coin-paid long distance market, only local toll calls have been allowed to go through on pure ACTS systems; these local toll calls, not surprisingly, happen entirely within your LATA.

Here is more information about LATAs than you were expecting, I'm sure. but interesting reading none the less:

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

LATA Names and Service Regions by LATA Number:

Within "Bell" LATA's, there can be and are independent telco central offices

and even independent telco operator/toll/tandem switches and regions.

(there are 164 total "Bell" Latas)

Within an "independent" LATA, there can be and some do have central offices

of other (usually smaller) independents.

LATA's can and most do cross state/NPA lines--

sometimes in rather large chunks;

sometimes just 'zigzagging' about a state/NPA boundary.

There are even cross-state situations where one LATA contains central

offices of an adjacent state served by a *different* Regional Bell Company

(i.e. Some Bell South LATA's can extend into portions of TX and AR,

and include central offices of Southwestern Bell as well as some

small local independent telcos-

Likewise, some Southwestern Bell LATA's can extend into portions of

LA, TN, and include central offices of Bell South as well as

some small local independent telcos)

Also, there are some individual LATA's which are geographically

discontiguous, split into two parts by another LATA.

LATA's are grouped by Regional Bell company as follows:

1NX NYNEX

2NX Bell Atlantic

3NX Ameritech

4NX Bell South

5NX Southwestern Bell

6NX US West

7NX Pacific Telesis

8NX "offshore" and "international"

Alaska, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, US Virign Islands;

also includes 'pseudo' LATA's for Canada, other Caribbean, etc)

9NX "independents" -- LATA's and Lata-like regions of:

Cincinnati Bell, Southern New England (Bell),

large "independent" telco regions

This listing represents the Bell, "offshore" and "independent" LATA's

of the US (including AK, HI, PR, USVI, etc) as finalized around 1984/85.

There were some modifications made to the "initial" LATA scheme as

submitted in 1982/83.

Originally, there were to be only 161 "Bell" LATA's. After further

negotiations betweem AT&T and DOJ/Greene, there were changes to some of

LATA boundary lines origianally drawn up. In the complete list, most "Bell"

LATA's are identified by consecutive even numbers. But there are some

"skipped" even numbers, as well as some "odd" numbers for the LATA code.

The following summarizes which even numbers were skipped and which odd

number codes were probably added:

(start off with 161 "Bell" LATA's)

Delete the following four:

#372 (part of IL - east St.Louis area?)

#622 (part of MN - Brainerd MN?)

#642 (part of SD? NE?)

#662 (part of UT? NM?)

Add the following seven:

#133 Poughkeepsie NY

#325 Akron OH

#477 Huntsville AL

#521 Westphalia MO (was to be LATA #959 Jefferson City & Columbia MO)

#570 Hearne TX (was to be an indep.LATA 9NX Bryan TX)

#635 Cedar Rapids IA

#721 Pahrump NV (was to be an indep.LATA 9NX Las Vegas NV)

(end up with 164 "Bell" LATA's)

There were also to have been some other "independent" LATA's using "9NX"

codes such as:

(9NX) Ashland KY (GTE) -absorbed into existing #466 Winchester KY

#955 Dothan AL (GTE) -absorbed into existing #478 Montgomery AL

#959 Jefferson City MO (United) & Columbia MO (GTE)

-transformed into NEW #521 Westphalia MO

(9NX) Bryan TX (GTE) -transformed into NEW #570 Hearne TX

(9NX) Las Vegas NV (Centel) -tranformed into NEW #721 Pahrump NV

Some of the above "deleted" independent LATA's had their boundaries redrawn to

become a "Bell" LATA, by adding some Bell central offices of an adjacent

"initial/existing" Bell LATA. Others were just completely absorbed into an

intial/existing adjacent "Bell" LATA.

There were also some additional "independent" LATA's added in 1984/85.

1NX - NYNEX (12 total)

===========

120 Maine

122 New Hampshire

124 Vermont

126 western MA

128 eastern MA

130 Rhode Island

132 New York City METRO

(also includes the exchanges of the towns in southwestern

CT handled by NYNEX- Byram and Greenwich, but not SNET's

'Old Greenwich' exchange; also includes Long Island and

portions of counties just north of Bronx NYCity)

133 Poughkeepsie NY (*added to ‘original' 1982/83 scheme*)

134 Albany NY

136 Syracuse NY

138 Binghampton NY

140 Buffalo NY

2NX - Bell Atlantic (19 total)

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220 Atlantic Coastal area (NJ)

222 Delaware Valley area (NJ)

224 northern NJ area

226 Capital PA

228 Philadelphia PA (includes entire state of Delaware)

230 Altoona PA

232 northeastern PA

234 Pittsburgh PA

236 Washington DC METRO (includes MD and VA suburbs)

238 Baltimore MD

240 Hagerstown MD

242 Salisbury MD

244 Roanoke VA (discontiguous LATA; split by LATA #932)

246 Culpepper VA

248 Richmond VA

250 Lynchburg VA

252 Norfolk VA

254 Charleston WV

256 Clarksburg WV

3NX - Ameritech (29 total)

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320 Cleveland OH

322 Youngstown OH

324 Columbus OH

325 Akron OH (*added to ‘original' 1982/83 sheme*)

326 Toledo OH

328 Dayton OH

330 Evansville IN

332 South Bend IN

334 Auburn-Huntington IN

336 Indianapolis IN

338 Bloomington IN

340 Detroit MI

342 upper peninsula MI (incl. part of northwest WI)

344 Saginaw MI

346 Lansing MI

348 Grand Rapids MI

350 northeastern WI

352 northwestern WI

354 southwestern WI

356 southeastern WI

358 Chicago IL METRO (includes some WI and IN suburbs)

360 Rockford IL

362 Cairo IL

364 Sterling IL

366 Forrest IL

368 Peoria IL

370 Champaign IL

(skipped 372, was to be IL east of St.Louis???, now part of #520)

374 Springfield IL

376 Quincy IL

4NX - Bell South (38 total)

================

(note within Florida, there are *also* "sub-LATA zones" as per

state regulatory stipulations. They are known as "Equal Access

Exchange Areas", EAEA's; this *also* happens in "independent"

areas in Florida using '9NX' LATA codes)

420 Asheville NC

422 Charlotte NC

424 Greensboro NC

426 Raleigh NC

428 Wilmington NC

430 Greenville SC

432 Florence SC

434 Columbia SC

436 Charleston SC

438 Atlanta GA

440 Savannah GA

442 Augusta GA

444 Albany GA

446 Macon GA

448 Pensacola FL

(448-13 WA-EA; 448-14 CR-EA; 448-15 FW-EA)

450 Panama City FL

(450-09 PC-EA; 450-10 SJ-EA; 450-11 QC-EA; 450-12 MR-EA)

452 Jacksonville FL

(452-04 CL-EA; 452-05 LO-EA)

454 Gainesville FL

(454-02 NW-EA; 454-03 OL-EA)

456 Daytona Beach FL

(456-01 PO-EA)

458 Orlando FL

(458-06 OR-EA; 458-07 LB-EA; 458-08 WI-EA)

460 southeastern FL

(460-17 GG-EA; 460-18 GR-EA)

462 Louisville KY

464 Owensboro KY

466 Winchester KY (includes GTE- Ashland KY, was to be own LATA)

468 Memphis TN

470 Nashville TN

472 Chattanooga TN

474 Knoxville TN

476 Birmingham AL

477 Huntsville AL (*added to ‘original' 1982/83 scheme*)

478 Montgomery AL (includes GTE- Dothan AL, was to be own LATA 955)

480 Mobile AL

482 Jackson MS

(Incl.part of LA across the Miss.River from Natchez MS)

484 Biloxi/Gulfcoast area MS

486 Shreveport LA

488 Lafayette LA

490 New Orleans LA

492 Baton Rouge LA

5NX - Southwestern Bell (27 total)

=======================

520 St.Louis MO

(also includes a rather sizeable portion of central IL

Ameritech and independent central offices)

521 Westphalia MO (includes

United- Jefferson City MO and GTE- Columbia MO, was to be

its own LATA 959)

(*LATA 521 was added to original 1982/83 scheme*)

522 Springfield MO

524 Kansas City MO/KS area (northwest MO, eastern KS)

526 Ft.Smith AR

528 Little Rock AR

530 Pine Bluff AR

532 Witchita KS

534 Topeka KS

536 Oklahoma City OK

538 Tulsa OK

540 El Paso TX

542 Midland TX

544 Lubbock TX

546 Amarillo TX

548 Witchita Falls TX

550 Abilene TX

552 Dallas TX

554 Longview TX

556 Waco TX

558 Austin TX

560 Houston TX

562 Beaumont TX

564 Corpus Christi TX

566 San Antonio TX

568 Brownsville TX

570 Hearne TX

(incl. GTE- Bryan TX, was to be its own LATA)

(*LATA 570 was added to original 1982/83 scheme*)

6NX - US West (27 total)

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620 Rochester MN

(skipped 622, was to be Brainerd MN???, now part of #636)

624 Duluth MN

626 St.Cloud MN

628 Minneapolis-St.Paul MN

630 Sioux City IA

632 Des Moines IA

634 Davenport IA (incl. some of northwest IL indep/Ameritech)

635 Cedar Rapids IA (*added to ‘original' 1982/83 scheme*)

636 Brainerd MN / Fargo ND (northwestern MN and eastern ND)

638 Bismark ND

640 South Dakota

(skipped 642, was to be somewhere in SD??? NE???)

644 Omaha NE (incl. part of southwestern IA)

646 Grand Island NE

648 Great Falls MT

650 Billings MT

652 Idaho (southern)

654 Wyoming

656 Denver CO

658 Colorado Springs CO

660 Utah

(skipped 662 southeast UT? northwest NM? now part of Navajo's #980/981?)

664 New Mexico

666 Phoenix AZ

668 Tucson AZ

670 Eugene OR

672 Portland OR (incl.part of southwestern WA)

674 Seattle WA

676 Spokane WA (includes part of central Idaho)

7NX - Pacific Telesis (12 total)

=====================

720 Reno NV

721 Pahrump NV

(southern NV, including Sprint's Centel Las Vegas, was to be own LATA)

(*LATA 721 was added to original 1982/83 scheme*)

722 San Francisco CA

724 Chico CA

726 Sacramento CA

728 Fresno CA

730 Los Angeles CA (extends into ‘independent' southwestern AZ)

732 San Diego CA

734 Bakersfield CA

736 Monterey CA

738 Stockton CA

740 San Luis Obispo CA

8NX - "offshore & international"

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820 Puerto Rico (ITT)

822 US Virgin Islands (ITT)

824 Bahamas (pseudo-LATA) (C&W)

826 Jamaica (pseudo-LATA) (C&W)

828 Dominican Republic (pseudo-LATA) (GTE/ITT)

830 "other Caribbean islands" (pseudo-LATA) (C&W)

(Trinidad & Tobago, Bermuda, Cayman Is, Turks & Caicos Is,

British West Indies from British Virgin Is to Grenada

including Barbados)

832 Alaska (AT&T Alascom)

834 Hawaii (GTE)

836 Midway-Wake (also CNMI-Guam-Am.Samoa?) (GTE/RCA)

838 Mexico (pseudo-LATA) (Telemex/ITT)

840 "international/overseas" (pseudo-LATA)

Canadian "pseudo" LATA's

850 Bell Canada- Quebec

(BCE- Bell Canada Enterprises;

this "LATA" also includes many of BCE-Telebec's local and toll

switches, particularly in central/western PQ and the Iles-de-la-

Madeline area in the Gulf of St.Lawrence, also Schefferville PQ

on the PQ/NF(LB) border; also in this "LATA" are local central

offices of a number of small indep.telcos in Quebec which home

on a Bell Canada toll/tandem switch)

851 Bell Canada- Ontario

(BCE- Bell Canada Enterprises; this "LATA" also includes:

the ON Govt/Railways owned Ontario Northland Telecommunications

local and toll office switches (which BCE-Northern Tel homes on)

and BCE-Northern Telephone's local central offices, as well as

the local central offices of a number of small independent telcos

in Ontario which home on a Bell Canada toll/tandem switch,

in particular: Thunder Bay Telecommunications and

Manitoulin-Is.Tel/Amtelicom)

881 Edmonton AB (EdTel, now part of "Telus" Corp)

882 Prince Rupert City BC (municipally owned "independent")

883 GTE's Quebec Telephone

(discontiguous- separated into two parts of Quebec, eastern and

southern by some of Bell Canada's territory;

this "LATA" also includes a number of small independent telcos in

Quebec which home on a GTE-Quebec toll switch, in particular:

Sogetel with about a dozen local offices in the southern PQ part

of this "LATA"; BCE-Telebec's Fermont PQ local exchange on the

PQ/NF(LB) border is in the eastern PQ part of this "LATA")

884 Alberta (except Edmonton) (AGT is part of "Telus" Corp)

885 Newfoundland (NewTel is partially owned by BCE)

886 GTE's British Columbia Telephone Co.

887 Prince Edward Island (Island Telephone, owned by MT&T of NS)

888 Manitoba (MTS)

889 Nova Scotia (MT&T- Maritime Tel & Tel, partially owned by BCE)

890 New Brunswick (NBTel is partially owned by BCE)

891 Saskatchewan (Saskatel)

892 "Northwestel" (owned by BCE)

(northern BC, YT, NWT-incl.old Bell Canada in eastern/Arctic NWT)

9NX - "independent" LATA's (continental US)

===========================================

920 Connecticut (SNET)

(two NYNEX exchanges in southwestern CT- Byram and Greenwich are

NOT in this LATA- they are in NY City Metro, #132 but SNET's

'Old Greenwich' IS in this LATA; also a local independent,

Woodbury (CT) Tel is in this LATA)

921 Fishers Island NY (Fishers Is Telephone Co)

922 Cincinnati OH METRO (Cincinnati Bell Telephone)

(includes suburbs in OH, KY, IN; some nearby small independents

are also in this LATA)

923 Lima-Mansfield OH (SPRINT-United)

(discontiguous- separated into two sgmnts by LATA #324 Columbus OH,

into Mansfield area in central OH and Lima area in western OH)

924 Erie PA (GTE)

927 Harrisonburg VA (GTE-Contel)

928 Charlottesville VA (SPRINT-Centel)

929 Edinburg VA (Shenandoah Telephone)

930 Epps Fork VA (SPRINT-United's Carolina Tel & Tel)

932 Bluefield WV (Citizen's Telecom, southern WV; GTE, western VA)

937 Richmond IN (GTE) (incl. part of western OH)

938 Terre Haute IN (GTE) (incl. part of eastern IL)

939 Ft.Myers FL (SPRINT-United)

(939-01 Avon Park EA; 939-02 Ft.Myers EA)

949 Fayetteville NC (SPRINT-United's Carolina Tel & Tel)

951 Rocky Mount NC (SPRINT-United's Carolina Tel & Tel)

952 Tampa FL (GTE)

953 Talahassee FL (SPRINT-Centel)

956 Bristol TN/VA - Johnson City TN

(SPRINT-United's Inter-Mountain Tel)

(northeastern TN and extreme southwestern VA)

958 Lincoln NE (Lincoln Tel & Tel)

960 Coeur d'Alene ID (GTE)- north Idaho, parts of northeast WA

961 San Angelo TX (GTE)

963 Kalispell MT (Northwestern Telephone Co. of Montana)

973 Palm Springs CA (GTE)

974 Rochester NY (Frontier's Rochester Tel)

976 Mattoon IL (Illinois Consolidated Telephone Co)

977 Macomb/Galesburg IL (GTE)

978 Olney IL (GTE)

980 Navajo Communications of Arizona (northeastern AZ)

981 Navajo Communications of Utah (southeastern UT)

999 (default "LATA" code for NPA's 500, 800, 900, etc)

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