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4 hours ago, ThoughtPhreaker said:

Nope. Release nine doesn't use any sort of key-based licensing, so while the R12 processor will accept the translations, it'll run in no license mode. In a word, it's no fun mode. The translations for the later systems also have a key that includes the processor's serial number. I dunno if/when there'll be any concrete success to work out, but for the moment, the processor I yanked off eBay had some encouraging things to say:

 

This licensing thing someone with a bigger brain than I have should really look into it beyond the Definity but in the Aura world too. A source had contacted me recently of having a G250 at home and had the ability to get find a S8500 server to run Aura and was talking to their Business Partner (Avaya's =/ VARs) of trying to get some license and the BP had basically went silent and gave a half answer if it could be possible. It's apparently cheaper to not acquire a new license and just copy the crypto from one PPN or server to another when it's done by Avaya or a BP; and that's why mine had the 30 day countdown.  

 

4 hours ago, ThoughtPhreaker said:

If you play around (don't be shy; carrier grade telecom gear isn't exactly made of glass), you'll find the byte that tells the Definity to prompt you for ASG instead of a regular password. It should be about 112 bytes after the last character of a password, and will be a 0x01. There's like, six, so a minimal amount of trial and error will find it. When you get a copy of your translations file, change it to 00, and change another 00 in the file (most next to the first byte should be fine) to a 01 to satisfy the checksum and upload it. If you do this for, say, inads, you'll have permission to write to the system's RAM at will. You can change this for init, but the system will just ignore this. Sort of a moot point, since not much can be done in the way of activation without knowledge of the licensing.

 

I'd rather not go into details of why I am not a genius in hex and TLAs, and other nerdy things because to be honest it goes over my head when it's spitted out randomly, especially when some will use vague language. (Basically I should just disclose, my IQ level on technology is at the "management" level. It's the differences that makes the world go 'round right?) I also feel a little pushed to be honest by some of the replies. I'm known to be a clutz and been taught to not be risky with "expensive" gear.

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@MakeAvayaRedGreatAgain Yeah, because all of the work I've done was for small businesses that friends of mine had, and just did work unpaid as a favor to people (and because I am a nerd and secretly like doing the work). Since I'm a nerd and always had an interest in phone switching systems, I decided to try to learn Definity to satisfy my curiosity and to run at home. But I've never worked in a professional capacity with phone systems. I'm actually a tower controller for a railroad (long story on how I got here). So all of this is just side dabbling for my nerdy side. B)

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Well I was looking around in the switch today just doing some exploring, and came across change system-parameters special-applications. There was one option that looked interesting in there that I wanted to try out. Now at the top of the first page, it looks like it wants a password and key to change those features. Is that something that is hidden in the ram as well? Anyone have experience with these?

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For anybody else interested in ASA, here's a copy:

 

http://www87.zippyshare.com/v/5KLQq8cL/file.html

https://openload.co/f/Vmg1F004bdM/siteadmin.zip

 

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That file I uploaded was the file that HyperTerminal output to the target folder (which was just the program file folder). Did I do something wrong or use an incorrect setting? I followed instructions you had given in the beginning of the thread of using xmodem in HyperTerminal. I can try to download the translation from the switch again if there’s something I should have done differently.

 

I think the command to grab the translations from the Definity to a computer is 'upload translations'. I'm honestly a little confused; I've never seen it barf out something blank like that before. If you could try again, that'd be great; there's a checksum for like every block in the xmodem protocol, so there's no chance of it uploading something it shouldn't. Well, not without Hyperterminal (or the Definity) raising a huge stink anyway.

 

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As far as setting up AUDIX like that, I would definitely appreciate being walked through the process. I am fairly new to running a Definity switch. I just got my first “lab switch” a few months ago and have pretty much just been feeling my way through and googling a lot of what I’ve encountered (Which is how I found this thread). All of my experience with switches up until this point has been primarily Nortel Norstar or occasionally Avaya Partner & Merlin Legend/Magix systems. Definity has always been something I’ve wanted to tackle and dabble around in. So I’m sorry if I’m being a little needy here, I’m just not 100% sure of what I’m doing. But I want to learn so I can do these things for myself.

 

No worries! It might be a while before I can get a normal machine to run this with (the machine that currently runs my Dialogic code gets pretty frequent use right now, and being headless, it's hardly a normal install case) though, so let me know if you want me to just help you remotely for now. I know enough by memory to get it working for that and improvise the rest.

 

For starts, you'll need a Dialogic card. This is the particular model I have. It's cheap and works with normal POTS stations. Occasionally you'll see them go for a little cheaper on eBay, but this is pretty good: http://www.ebay.com/itm/D41JCTLSW-Dialogic-4-Port-Analog-Loop-Start-PCI-SP-Voice-Interface-Card-/272816283916?epid=1656832384&hash=item3f851e210c:g:K98AAOSw4DJYf22m . It's about a foot long, so finding a machine it physically fits in (most off the shelf ATX machines will do) is going to be your biggest bottleneck. Any Pentium 3 (or later 2)-era thrift store/yard sale/dumpster machine with 256 or so MB RAM will run the software perfectly fine. After booting the install CD, keep in mind it'll overwrite your hard disk without asking too. Once it boots, you may need to set the root password and start up an SSH server (beware that leaving any system running a Linux distro this old on the public internet is an extreme liability. Since it was convenient, I was using a dial-up modem to run mine for a while) before installing the Audix software packages. If you need any help with that, just let me know.

 

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So what I think I’m understanding is that I’d have to do some cleanup of that ram dump to get rid of some of the extra data that it spit out. Then convert the hex to binary. I’m guessing you know which memory locations to look at to find the password then.

 

That's right; the formatting stuff the Definity spits out with the dump isn't part of what's in RAM. But by pasting all that in a hex editor, you're converting ASCII to hex data, though. The RAM location with the passwords changes with each build. My way of figuring out where is to just search for the string 'inads' until I find what looks like passwords. From the TCM shell (which I *think* exists in release 6. At least, there's a TCM process. I don't think you can type 'go tcm' until 7 or 8 though), you can get a fairly solid example from the Definity itself of what the location with passwords looks like:

 

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PR_LOGIN 696e 6164 7300 006c 756a 6521 7376 6a2e 'inads  luje!svj.'
PR_LOGIN 0000 006c 756a 6521 7376 6a2e 0000 0001 '   luje!svj.    '
PR_LOGIN 0101 0101 0001 0101 0101 0101 0101 0100 '                '
PR_LOGIN 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 '                '
PR_LOGIN 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 '                '
PR_LOGIN 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 '                '
PR_LOGIN 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 '                '
PR_LOGIN 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 '                '
PR_LOGIN 0000 0000 0100 0000 0000 0000 0101 0101 '                '
PR_LOGIN 0101 0100 0000 b21a 22c3 69b8 786c 0000 '        " i xl  '
PR_LOGIN 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 ffff ffff '                '
PR_LOGIN ffff ffff 0000 0000 0000 0000 ffff ffff '                '
PR_LOGIN ffff ffff '    '
 

 

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Well I was looking around in the switch today just doing some exploring, and came across change system-parameters special-applications. There was one option that looked interesting in there that I wanted to try out. Now at the top of the first page, it looks like it wants a password and key to change those features. Is that something that is hidden in the ram as well? Anyone have experience with these?

 

That's a good question - I don't think the keys are necessarily in the RAM, but the program that validates them definitely is. I honestly don't have any idea how to do it.

 

EDIT: Here's some cheaper Dialogic cards. Like I said, they go for peanuts:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dialogic-D-41JCT-LS-4-port-Combined-Media-Board-Voice-Interface-Card-/263201498830?epid=86074960&hash=item3d480826ce:g:AZoAAOSwZr9ZtxdD

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DIALOGIC-4-PORT-ANALOG-VOICE-FAX-COMBINED-MEDIA-BOARD-D-41JCT-LS-/162099670042?epid=86074960&hash=item25bde4ac1a:g:PVIAAOSwbwlXCsoz

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dialogic-D-41JCT-LS-Combined-Media-Board-Voice-Interface-Card-/332385891932?epid=86074960&hash=item4d63be365c:g:sm4AAOSwo4pYCRGh

 

It's a little strange; these go for like, $5,000 brand new, and some of them weren't even opened. From the auction descriptions, it sounds like some people are mistaking these for dial-up modems. If you're willing to go through the trouble to develop software for them, it's a ridiculously good deal.

 

There's also another card you can occasionally find that's smaller and should be runnable using the same API. I haven't tested it, but if anybody wants to give it a try, here's one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/DIALOGIC-D-4PCIU-D4PCIUFW-44-0053-02-4-PORT-VOICE-FAS-MEDIA-PCI-E-CARD-/272741298914?epid=80086610&hash=item3f80a5f2e2:g:bPQAAOSwnK9ZVTr0

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@ThoughtPhreakerOk... I ordered one of the cards you listed. I put in an offer for the other card for experimental purposes. It says there is one other offer out there, so I'm not sure I'll get it. But I'll keep an eye out for those type in the future to try out. 

 

I also sent you a PM...

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Alright.. I got both cards. I just have to find a machine to put them in... almost there!

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I also sent you a PM...

 

I'd consider options other than waiting for a call for assistance for the moment. Sorry. For a lot of reasons, including being in northern Calfornia for those wildfires last week (evacuating tends not to be fun. Not so much because of the impending doom, but because of the obligatory people driving like absolute retards you see in disasters, and having to take a long car trip when you're least in the mood for one), I've had an unusual amount of things to deal with recently. If you want to hop on the bridge one night though, that might be a good way to look into this.

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Oooh.. sorry you’re going through that. Hope you’re safe. I’m actually not in that bad of shape since I got a fresh translation card that had no gremlins left over like my other translation card. So the only thing that I’m just waiting to work on is the Audix thing... which is no big hurry.. you have far more important things to worry about now for sure!

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Question: how is your G3 box setup at home for grounding and lightning protection?
My G3 CMC is tied to a Comcast analog trunk and there is no protection on the CO card. However I used to have a couple IP Office units that took direct hits and almost burned down the house. I have had Cisco gateways that I put CO trunks in and it survived, and the CMC carrier looks pretty grounded unlike the IPO units.

Has anyone had problems with their systems at home with limited to zero protection?
Avaya unlike other vendors tend to get really anal about protection. Unlike the others here, I protect this as if it was my child. 

Thanks.

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To be honest, I don’t really have the switch protected. I don’t have any “real” co lines. I have an Obihai 202 which converts two google voice lines to co lines. The only other external connection to that is the Ethernet cable to the router. And my ISP is Verizon fios. I don’t think lighting is going to come through the fiber!

 

The only thing that I’d be concerned about is a power spike on the ac line. I really should get a surge surpressor for the ac line to be totally safe. And connect some #10 green THHN from the ground bus on the switch to some ground somewhere. But I would think that that ground bus would be common with the ground on the ac supply cord.

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14 hours ago, grs033 said:




To be honest, I don’t really have the switch protected. I don’t have any “real” co lines. I have an Obihai 202 which converts two google voice lines to co lines. The only other external connection to that is the Ethernet cable to the router. And my ISP is Verizon fios. I don’t think lighting is going to come through the fiber!

The only thing that I’d be concerned about is a power spike on the ac line. I really should get a surge surpressor for the ac line to be totally safe. And connect some #10 green THHN from the ground bus on the switch to some ground somewhere. But I would think that that ground bus would be common with the ground on the ac supply cord.






 
I am unable to ground the PBX because of it's location and the lack of any ground where it's recommended tie to. 

For the AC power (I think you mean) I have an UPS (obviously for the DA module since UNIX is like dealing with a male asshole (i.e. unforgiving nature of an improper shutdown)) and I think I should be all set. 

Thanks for the feedback.

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I know this is a little overdue, but for anybody not too familiar with Linux, installing Audix is pretty straightforward. Before you start whatever machine will be running this, make sure the rotary switch on the card is set to zero; this helps identify the card ID to the software. Apparently, this matters a little less with the Windows drivers. Anyway, after booting the install CD, it'll copy all the install packages and reboot the system. Once it's booted, you'll get a login prompt. Type root at it, and you should get a command line. At there, type:

 

mkdir /mnt/cdrom

mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom

vi /vs/bin/start_vs_now

(there will be a single line in this script that tries to verify the hard drive serial before allowing the system to start. Press 'i' to input data using the text editor, and then put a '#' in front of the command. This will comment out the command, making the system skip the step. Press escape when you're done, and then ':w'. It should say it wrote the file. ':q' will get you out of there.

Finally, type: ./mnt/cdrom/autoinstall

 

This should get everything off the ground. Once it's done installing, barring any Dialogic software conflicts, it should Just Work. Anything else can be administered from the web interface. As I said before though, keeping a machine like this exposed to anything near the open internet is likely an extreme liability. Anyway, typing 'dmesg | more' should give insight into any additional conflicts. Use space and enter to scroll down; all the Dialogic messages will be at the very end.

Also, when the system boots, it'll attempt to check for loop current on the phone line. If it can't find it or just feels like being annoying, sometimes it'll put the line in a state where it's permanently offhook, and stop paying attention to it. To get it to behave, tell it to run a diagnostic on the line and it'll check again. To do this, you may have to busy it out (MANOOS) before testing, and release when you're through.

 

One final note - for anybody thinking about a D/41EPCI (also called a D/41ESC-PCI) card - if you know you're only ever going to use it for Audix - and just this version, there's a slight chance you may be able to get it to work; the old Dialogic 5.x system releases support the card, and a lot of the other weird odds and ends like ISA cards. I found an E locally for like, five bucks, shrugged and picked it up. So far, the system seems to turn it's nose up at it (though it was a little beat up to be fair. There's definitely a component that'll have to be resoldered, and possibly a cut trace). The current releases, however, won't work with it, so the development potential (or just the not running it on a really old OS potential) for them is quite limited. According to random people on the internet, they're half duplex anyway, The long and the short of it though, is it's probably not worth the $3 or whatever you'll save.

 

If you do have one however, you'll have to avoid the pre-written config files the Avaya people put on there. There'll be some utilities you can use in the /usr/dialogic/bin folder to write a new one for this specific card; I think mkcfg and config.sh . Make sure it writes it to the /usr/dialogic/avaya/cfg/ directory (the path may not be exact on that one; I'm not in front of Audix, and the system I ran it on for like, a day was quickly repurposed for ISDN things).

 

EDIT: Sorry. The start_vs_now script is copied after the autoinstall script does it's thing. Do it after ./mnt/cdrom/autoinstall

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@ThoughtPhreaker where do we get the software for Audix to run on the machine?

 

Edit: sorry, I just blurted this out right when I woke up and saw this reply. I should have went back to the beginning of the thread to find you posted the file already. Couple more questions now. First... where do you get an old version of Red Hat to run this with? And secondly, my intent was to use this for voicemail as well. What will I need to do to use this version of Audix for that purpose? 

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The old version of Redhat comes with the software; when you boot the Audix installer, it'll write that to the hard drive. All the software you need to get it going is on there.

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so do I need to wipe out the HDD on the pc I intend to use? It currently has windows xp running on it. Is there any formatting or preparation I need to do?

 

Edit: The files for Audix are not up anymore. Can you upload again, please?

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Sure!

 

https://openload.co/f/oQnm-Rx-i08/AUDIX_LX_app_soft.nrg

https://openload.co/f/_Zs_lgNFWds/IALXR2.0.SP2.sp

 

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so do I need to wipe out the HDD on the pc I intend to use? It currently has windows xp running on it. Is there any formatting or preparation I need to do?

 

As I mentioned towards the beginning of the thread, it'll format your hard drive without asking when the installer boots. Once you boot it, aside from the steps I talked about a couple posts before this, it'll set everything up.

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Thanks! Got the files... I’ll burn them to a disc tonight. 

 

6 hours ago, ThoughtPhreaker said:

As I mentioned towards the beginning of the thread, it'll format your hard drive without asking when the installer boots. Once you boot it, aside from the steps I talked about a couple posts before this, it'll set everything up.

 

I’m sorry for all the questions... I guess in my mind this should be more difficult than it actually is. I’m thinking I have to finagle things to get this to work. 

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Welp, I was met with failure tonight. I'm trying to use CDBurnerXP to make burn a bootable cd for the install. Unfortunately, the program doesn't want to convert the .nrg file to ISO for me to boot. I tried a different method in the program to create an ISO disc, but the machine won't boot from it. I know that an .nrg is a Nero file, and before I go spending $50 to buy Nero, I wanted confirmation that I need to burn an ISO disc through that particular program for this to work. Or maybe there's something else I'm doing wrong that I just don't know about... but I'm a successful failure. Any suggestions?

 

EDIT: never mind! I found a free nrg to ISO converter. Then burned the converted ISO to disc and now it’s installing. False alarm!

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@ThoughtPhreaker So I've run into some problems with installing. 

 

I got to the part where I login as root and start entering the commands listed above. Here is what I got for what I entered...

# mkdir /mnt/cdrom
mkdir: cannot create directory '/mnt/cdrom': File exists
# mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom
mount: block device /dev/cdrom is write-protected, mounting read-only
# ./mnt/cdrom/autoinstall
ksh: ./mnt/cdrom/autoinstall: not found
#

so I'm not sure where to go from here. I don't know what I might have done wrong. I saw in the edit that I was to do the autoinstall command before the vs command. Can you tell me what I need to do to correct this? 

 

I swear these things never go well for me... this is the kind of luck I have lol

 

Also, I kept trying to post a pic of the screen from my phone but I kept running into 403 forbidden errors. Even after I removed the pic, I still couldn't post text only. I also couldn't access the site on my phone or PC via my home internet connection. I had to use my laptop tethered to my phone after restarting it to get a new ip address... something doesn't like me!

 

EDIT: And yet now it just let me upload the screen shot here. So weird!!!!

IMG_4740.jpg

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I got a little further this morning. I didn't have much time to mess with things before work, but I did a couple things, and got the auto install to run. 

 

I was thinking about it before falling asleep last night that I should try deleting the /mnt/cdrom directory and creating a new one as the instructions stated. Like I said, I didn't have time to see if there was anything in it. I just did a rm -rf /mnt/cdrom which got rid of it. I was then able to create the new directory. 

 

I then tried using just /mnt/cdrom/autoinstall without the "." in front of it. That started the process of installing it. It seemed to work. The only problem is that when I went back into root to do the vi /vs/bin/start_vs_now. I was able to get into the editor, but when I did the ":w" command, it returned with something to the effect that the file could not be open to be written. The only way to get out of it again was to do a :q!. In the editor, I put in just a "#" by itself, which didn't work. I then tried the whole command "# vi /vs/bin/start_vs_now" which still didn't work. 

 

I rebooted, and it did say at the end starting voice system (I don't remember what it said exactly, I didn't think to take pictures as I was getting ready) but then just sat and did nothing. 

 

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Good afternoon

 

An update on where I am... I had my buddy who is pretty decent with Unix and Linux come over. He was able to help me figure out what to change in the start_vs_now script. We changed the appropriate line, and was able to get the vioce system to start. The problem we ran into was that an error came up with the dialogic board. It said that it couldn’t find any dialogic boards in the system. Now I’m running this in a non tower pc with the Dialogic D4PCIUFW, which I know there was some question as to weather that would work with this software.

 

So I then purchased a second hand full size tower PC to accommodate the larger dialogic D/41JCT. Unfortunately, the installation stops dead when the program is probing the machine (specifically at the host bus clock speed, which registers at 0 MHz). The thing I didn’t pay attention to is that this has an AMD Phenom processor. So I’m wondering if there just isn’t drivers for a non-intel processor. One other thing I’ll be trying is to clone the drive from the smaller machine to the drive from the tower. Maybe since I have it installed on that drive, I can get it to run on the bigger machine since it won’t be doing the probing that the installer was doing during startup. I do have low confidence in this working, however. So I might end up having to buy a different intel processor pc. The only thing is I’m not finding anything too suitable on eBay with a decent size drive. 

 

But while my buddy was here, we tried to find the directory where the parcrypf script is that needs to be avoided. Can you shed some light on where that is hidden? What what specifically you changed in there? Or is this not a factor anymore with running the system?

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Just a quick update... and a shout out to @xhausted110 and @gewt for help... 

 

I got a different older box (a Dell Demension 4550) which can accommodate the larger card, and is an intel processor. So now I get all the way through to where it states that the voice system is up and running and it states that the dialogic card is good to go. Then it says to press enter to go back to the prompt, which puts me back as just root. What am I missing to get to the GUI to set up the system parameters? Am I not getting to it due to the licensing thing? I would love to get around that, but I have no idea where to create a new script since I don’t know where the original one resides. That’s where I could really use some help and insight as to what you guys did to get around it. 

 

I appreciate the help... thanks!!!

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On 12/6/2017 at 9:08 PM, grs033 said:

Just a quick update... and a shout out to @xhausted110 and @gewt for help... 

 

I got a different older box (a Dell Demension 4550) which can accommodate the larger card, and is an intel processor. So now I get all the way through to where it states that the voice system is up and running and it states that the dialogic card is good to go. Then it says to press enter to go back to the prompt, which puts me back as just root. What am I missing to get to the GUI to set up the system parameters? Am I not getting to it due to the licensing thing? I would love to get around that, but I have no idea where to create a new script since I don’t know where the original one resides. That’s where I could really use some help and insight as to what you guys did to get around it. 

 

I appreciate the help... thanks!!!

 

^ I can see the slight frustration.

 

I've tried to install it on a virtual instance, and I'm able to get the thing up, but when I access the Web URL, it goes a default Apache page. I installed it on a SFF OptiPlex GX240 (for the sake of it despite the small PCI slots) and tried to plug in a serial cable to the serial port, to see if I had to serial in that way, like the traditional Definity Audix card.

 

Pointers with some maturity and screengrabs, and other visual documentation would be great for all.

 

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Update on any R10 or greater PPN/processor board.

 

I've done research on this and basically you're SOL if you do not have an active relationship (support contract or otherwise) with Avaya.

Beginning in 2001, starting with the Definity R10 required a very difficult activation process, and I have personally tried before with Avaya a couple years ago. The process basically starts at the purchase order. The Business Partner (their version of VAR) or Avaya themselves would enter the order of the new PBX on their system, with "SAP Codes" (formerly known as the Comcodes from the Bell System days; SAP meaning their ERP of choice for enterprise accounting) and match the customer information on another database. Another common numerical ID is the "Sold To" number, that identifies the customer, and it's physical address and location. At that point the information had to be plugged in by sales and or other reps before the install.

 

If you ran into the PLDS system that Avaya uses on their extranet, this is how that certificate comes into play. The certificate would come from Avaya's servers and be fed directly to the INADS port via a dial in modem coming out of Denver (or probably India more now than back in the day.) If the CLAN was programmed and had a direct link to the WAN, the certificate could be fed through over IP. 

 

This system appears to be an in house app (this PLDS system) and in fact it bears a patent, and such reversed engineering from smaller BPs and non BPs have been in the center of DMCA clams (please gag me with such trolls!) 

 

Avaya has no intention to give these licenses without any contracts to users that have no intention to make millions of dollars and keeping these from being thrown into a dumpster! and when I inquired Avaya 2 years ago, they basically showed me the door with a trail of emails to lawyers. Oh yeah legal counsel had to look into this. (such a #laywermagnet!) 

 

Given Avaya's current state of financial instability, and whatever happens in the coming years, I would be safe to say that if you do not have any certificates on any "Definity" past Release 10 would be a nice paperweight forever. 

 

I felt it was important to share to anyone who has ran into something similar to my experiences with a post R10 board. 

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