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Hey, just kinda currious if anyone knows of any stories of house raids on hackers and why they would get raided. i know of the Kevin Mitnick but thats pretty much. I would just like to read some stories on this crap and if it has ever happened to any of you.

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Hey, just kinda currious if anyone knows of any stories of house raids on hackers and why they would get raided. i know of the Kevin Mitnick but thats pretty much. I would just like to read some stories on this crap and if it has ever happened to any of you.

*raises hand*

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Hey, just kinda currious if anyone knows of any stories of house raids on hackers and why they would get raided. i know of the Kevin Mitnick but thats pretty much. I would just like to read some stories on this crap and if it has ever happened to any of you.

*raises hand*

ditto.

Basically is sucks... really really sucks.

I got caught cracking phreak codes back in the 80's...

They knock once, then force the door open. After that, they look around and when they see a computer, that's where they stay. Then your computer and anything plugged into it, or remotely looks like it could be plugged into it, leaves with them.

Also if you cuss at them, two of them will pick you up and body slam you down on the couch.

I was 16.

Lesson learned: Never hack from the house.

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Hey, just kinda currious if anyone knows of any stories of house raids on hackers and why they would get raided. i know of the Kevin Mitnick but thats pretty much. I would just like to read some stories on this crap and if it has ever happened to any of you.

*raises hand*

ditto.

Basically is sucks... really really sucks.

I got caught cracking phreak codes back in the 80's...

They knock once, then force the door open. After that, they look around and when they see a computer, that's where they stay. Then your computer and anything plugged into it, or remotely looks like it could be plugged into it, leaves with them.

Also if you cuss at them, two of them will pick you up and body slam you down on the couch.

I was 16.

Lesson learned: Never hack from the house.

dang that sucks! i guess the only way would be to go mobile...

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Hey, just kinda currious if anyone knows of any stories of house raids on hackers and why they would get raided. i know of the Kevin Mitnick but thats pretty much. I would just like to read some stories on this crap and if it has ever happened to any of you.

Feds had a huge "hacking drive" back in the mid-late 90s, with some high value targets in the mid 80s.

Basically anybody even remotely connected to the scene who was in the US and actually a hacker rather than just talk was hit - I think a lot of it was fishing, just to catch up with the latest tech, which is why so many ended up on the state payroll.

not really heard of anything in the past 5 years, a few "token" cases, most hacking now originates from Israel, China and Russia (with a not insignificant amount coming from other less well known places like Indonesia), most of whom I understand don't really care as long as its against the "nasty capitalist pigs"

I was lucky at that point, in that being from the UK, there was very few in authority who's knowledge of computing extended beyond how to send an email, and all the rest were busy taking 6 figure salaries building stuff.

That said, the list of actual convictions is quite short.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_convicted_computer_criminals

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Thats because I suspect that page doesnt have most of the people convicted. I can think of several who don't appear on it who I know for a fact got actually convicted of computer intrusion offenses. Ask yourself where fluffi bunny is on that page for an example.

The uk has had a specialist crime squad that deals with this field since the 80's. I think theyre called the eCrime unit now and when they don't know something they just pay a scum friendly consultant to come in and be expert witness on that specific area.

OP, my friends had this, all their kit taken away, some of it never to be seen again. Doors barged down with warents, parents pissed off bigtime at everyone. Everyone else sitting waiting hoping everyone could keep their mouths shut. Being in a group != safety in numbers...

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Do you mean these guys?

http://www.met.police.uk/scd/specialist_units/economic_specialist_crime.htm

Pah.

they can't even keep up with the £1bln a year in CC fraud (so much so they don't even prosecute any more, just hand the loss over to the individual), few virus's and general hacking didn't even enter their vocabularily until the 1990 computer misuse act, and even then that was so flawed they have never put any effort into catching anyone.

They have their hands full trying to deal with all their other responsibilities.

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Do you mean these guys?

http://www.met.police.uk/scd/specialist_units/economic_specialist_crime.htm

Pah.

they can't even keep up with the £1bln a year in CC fraud (so much so they don't even prosecute any more, just hand the loss over to the individual), few virus's and general hacking didn't even enter their vocabularily until the 1990 computer misuse act, and even then that was so flawed they have never put any effort into catching anyone.

They have their hands full trying to deal with all their other responsibilities.

intense..but im not too worried. i just get paranoid for no reason every now and then lol. Going mobile then.. anyone know where i should start? i have a laptop and a netbook so i guess all i would need is an antenna to pick up wifi? and a program to help me do some wifi sniffing. ugh not too good with wifi.. never really messed with it..i suppose i could do it in my car. any one have any suggestions on hardware, software, techniques on going mobile with my computers?

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they can't even keep up with the £1bln a year in CC fraud (so much so they don't even prosecute any more, just hand the loss over to the individual), few virus's and general hacking didn't even enter their vocabularily until the 1990 computer misuse act, and even then that was so flawed they have never put any effort into catching anyone.

They have their hands full trying to deal with all their other responsibilities.

A lot of enforcement decisions are probably based on who was comprimised. I don't think any agency would give a rat's ass if my email and personal information were violated. However, if anything happens to people who make decisions (like politicians), or people who assist these people get into power, shit will hit the fan. I live in a fairly small town, and will gauruntee if a person gets caught by local police using the mayor's personal WiFi w/o permission charges would be filed. If I called the same people (local police) because a neighbor was using my WiFi they'd not even investigate it.

Let's just say a company like Halliburton gets pwned, or a well connected person like Sara Palin, who is clueless, get's her email compromised, heads will roll.

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Hey, just kinda currious if anyone knows of any stories of house raids on hackers and why they would get raided. i know of the Kevin Mitnick but thats pretty much. I would just like to read some stories on this crap and if it has ever happened to any of you.

*raises hand*

ditto.

Basically is sucks... really really sucks.

I got caught cracking phreak codes back in the 80's...

They knock once, then force the door open. After that, they look around and when they see a computer, that's where they stay. Then your computer and anything plugged into it, or remotely looks like it could be plugged into it, leaves with them.

Also if you cuss at them, two of them will pick you up and body slam you down on the couch.

I was 16.

Lesson learned: Never hack from the house.

Yeah, that does suck.

Wasn't that back in the days when someone who is under 18 couldn't really get much of a punishment though?

Hey, just kinda currious if anyone knows of any stories of house raids on hackers and why they would get raided. i know of the Kevin Mitnick but thats pretty much. I would just like to read some stories on this crap and if it has ever happened to any of you.

*raises hand*

Oh, Purple jesus said his story. What happened with you?, if that's ok to ask.

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meh.. i am cautious as to what i post in public forums since that has happened... nothing too crazy.... but it involved DATU...

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meh.. i am cautious as to what i post in public forums since that has happened... nothing too crazy.... but it involved DATU...

I understand. Same here.

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meh.. i am cautious as to what i post in public forums since that has happened... nothing too crazy.... but it involved DATU...

DATU's? Ahhhh.... Luv them numbers.

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I could've edited my last post to add this, oh well. I'm on my BlackBerry & forgot.

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they can't even keep up with the £1bln a year in CC fraud (so much so they don't even prosecute any more, just hand the loss over to the individual), few virus's and general hacking didn't even enter their vocabularily until the 1990 computer misuse act, and even then that was so flawed they have never put any effort into catching anyone.

They have their hands full trying to deal with all their other responsibilities.

A lot of enforcement decisions are probably based on who was comprimised. I don't think any agency would give a rat's ass if my email and personal information were violated. However, if anything happens to people who make decisions (like politicians), or people who assist these people get into power, shit will hit the fan. I live in a fairly small town, and will gauruntee if a person gets caught by local police using the mayor's personal WiFi w/o permission charges would be filed. If I called the same people (local police) because a neighbor was using my WiFi they'd not even investigate it.

Let's just say a company like Halliburton gets pwned, or a well connected person like Sara Palin, who is clueless, get's her email compromised, heads will roll.

If by "shit will hit the fan" you mean "make the director of communications to Downing Street" then I'd be tempted to agree.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jan/06/news-world-phone-hacking-reopen

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jan/06/news-of-the-world-phone-hacking-police-investigation

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/scotland-yard-fights-to-keep-phonehacking-targets-a-secret-2183196.html

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they can't even keep up with the £1bln a year in CC fraud (so much so they don't even prosecute any more, just hand the loss over to the individual), few virus's and general hacking didn't even enter their vocabularily until the 1990 computer misuse act, and even then that was so flawed they have never put any effort into catching anyone.

They have their hands full trying to deal with all their other responsibilities.

A lot of enforcement decisions are probably based on who was comprimised. I don't think any agency would give a rat's ass if my email and personal information were violated. However, if anything happens to people who make decisions (like politicians), or people who assist these people get into power, shit will hit the fan. I live in a fairly small town, and will gauruntee if a person gets caught by local police using the mayor's personal WiFi w/o permission charges would be filed. If I called the same people (local police) because a neighbor was using my WiFi they'd not even investigate it.

Let's just say a company like Halliburton gets pwned, or a well connected person like Sara Palin, who is clueless, get's her email compromised, heads will roll.

If by "shit will hit the fan" you mean "make the director of communications to Downing Street" then I'd be tempted to agree.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jan/06/news-world-phone-hacking-reopen

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jan/06/news-of-the-world-phone-hacking-police-investigation

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/scotland-yard-fights-to-keep-phonehacking-targets-a-secret-2183196.html

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/04/kernell-guilty/

Do you think anyone would get charged with identity theft (which didn't stick in this case), and get a year for "hacking" any normal joe-shmoe's email?

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they can't even keep up with the £1bln a year in CC fraud (so much so they don't even prosecute any more, just hand the loss over to the individual), few virus's and general hacking didn't even enter their vocabularily until the 1990 computer misuse act, and even then that was so flawed they have never put any effort into catching anyone.

They have their hands full trying to deal with all their other responsibilities.

A lot of enforcement decisions are probably based on who was comprimised. I don't think any agency would give a rat's ass if my email and personal information were violated. However, if anything happens to people who make decisions (like politicians), or people who assist these people get into power, shit will hit the fan. I live in a fairly small town, and will gauruntee if a person gets caught by local police using the mayor's personal WiFi w/o permission charges would be filed. If I called the same people (local police) because a neighbor was using my WiFi they'd not even investigate it.

Let's just say a company like Halliburton gets pwned, or a well connected person like Sara Palin, who is clueless, get's her email compromised, heads will roll.

If by "shit will hit the fan" you mean "make the director of communications to Downing Street" then I'd be tempted to agree.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jan/06/news-world-phone-hacking-reopen

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jan/06/news-of-the-world-phone-hacking-police-investigation

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/scotland-yard-fights-to-keep-phonehacking-targets-a-secret-2183196.html

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/04/kernell-guilty/

Do you think anyone would get charged with identity theft (which didn't stick in this case), and get a year for "hacking" any normal joe-shmoe's email?

Erm, miss the point much?

In the UK they'd probably make him assistant director of communications. :wink:

Except such roles require a level of discretion Kernell clearly lacks.

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Hey, just kinda currious if anyone knows of any stories of house raids on hackers and why they would get raided. i know of the Kevin Mitnick but thats pretty much. I would just like to read some stories on this crap and if it has ever happened to any of you.

*raises hand*

ditto.

Basically is sucks... really really sucks.

I got caught cracking phreak codes back in the 80's...

They knock once, then force the door open. After that, they look around and when they see a computer, that's where they stay. Then your computer and anything plugged into it, or remotely looks like it could be plugged into it, leaves with them.

Also if you cuss at them, two of them will pick you up and body slam you down on the couch.

I was 16.

Lesson learned: Never hack from the house.

Yeah, that does suck.

Wasn't that back in the days when someone who is under 18 couldn't really get much of a punishment though?

Hey, just kinda currious if anyone knows of any stories of house raids on hackers and why they would get raided. i know of the Kevin Mitnick but thats pretty much. I would just like to read some stories on this crap and if it has ever happened to any of you.

*raises hand*

Oh, Purple jesus said his story. What happened with you?, if that's ok to ask.

They returned the Vic 20 that was in the closet. Everything else they kept.

100 Hours community service

Probation ~6 months. (just call my probo officer once a month to let her know I was alive)

That about sums it up.

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They returned the Vic 20 that was in the closet. Everything else they kept.

I doubt it.

More likely gave it to the arresting officers kids as Christmas presents....

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Hey, just kinda currious if anyone knows of any stories of house raids on hackers and why they would get raided. i know of the Kevin Mitnick but thats pretty much. I would just like to read some stories on this crap and if it has ever happened to any of you.

You can read a lot of cases of busts and raids on www.textfiles.com. check the warez or bbs sections and you should get some texts of people talking about their cases. Though the info is dated, it's worth to read it. at least it's fun.

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Some folks got arrested for allegedly using twitter during the G20 protests this past year. There's some good info about the raid at https://friendsoftortuga.wordpress.com/.

These raids absolutely do still happen. Also, the guy who allegedly hacked Palin's email account had his house raided. The FBI is also doing raids in response to Anonymous's "Operation Payback".

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Some folks got arrested for allegedly using twitter during the G20 protests this past year. There's some good info about the raid at https://friendsoftor...wordpress.com/.

These raids absolutely do still happen. Also, the guy who allegedly hacked Palin's email account had his house raided. The FBI is also doing raids in response to Anonymous's "Operation Payback".

The government just isn't focused on the petty hackers much right now. Homeland security, political shit and the like are their main focus. The big new scare is cyberwar. Evidence that we discussed at Schneier's blog indicated US and Israel made the threat real by making Stuxnet and slamming Iran's enrichment plants. It was totally brilliant, but payback will be a bitch. The government still raids the guilty and the innocent. Comments on Schneier's "Recording the Police" blog post got plenty of details on that. Here's one example of police corruption that was filmed and resulted in a retaliatory raid.

Motorcyclist Jailed 26 Hours for Videotaping Gun-Wielding Cop

http://www.pixiq.com/article/maryland-motorcyclist-spends-26-hours-in-jail-on-wiretapping-charge-for-filming-cop-with-gun

NOTE: People wanting serious discussions on security can feel free to join us at Schneier's blog. I post under Nick P there.

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Theyre arresting people under the anonymous banner to try and make a big noise about it. Its not like theyve got huge amounts of people, but lots of people are running scared. I think they've pretty much achieved their PR aims to put skiddies off loic, which is what all that crap was about.

The people left worrying should calm down and realize that in the jungle you dont have to be able to outrun a lion, only run faster than the slower members. Its clear now to the masses that running loic is a bad move, which can only be a good thing in improving their education level about these things.

Schneier... meh... I'm always confused about him now. Didn't he take some job at our old friends BT? Where he makes outlandish statements which are completely at odds to their corporate bullshit stances. I wonder how many times a month he gets a shitty email trying to rein his blog in :)

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Schneier... meh... I'm always confused about him now. Didn't he take some job at our old friends BT? Where he makes outlandish statements which are completely at odds to their corporate bullshit stances. I wonder how many times a month he gets a shitty email trying to rein his blog in :)

Yeah, lol. When I heard he joined BT, I was thinking: "How long will he have his job or us an insightful blog?" Well, it seems they give him a free-reign because his brand and theirs are so different. Not to mention, they like bragging that they have him on board as their security guru. I think it's probably some bs like that. I don't always agree with Bruce, even blasting him on occasion. The main thing I like about that blog is the community that comments. There's plenty of bright security engineers and insiders who routinely comment and shed lots of light on a lot of things most security guys never even think about. Recently, RobertT and I have been discussing how easy it is to alter a spec for a System on a Chip without either the designer or the fab knowing. This is due to the fact that there are only like 3 main fabs for mobile phone chips (really, just THREE for most chips), they have shitty security for these things, and the new production processes make analysis with an optical telescope nearly impossible, improving odds of inserting backdoors via MITM attacks. It's quite scary what some of these people know. Scarier that they can scare even me. :o

There are also the occasional commenter who is either a troll or a dumbass who earned his credentials at a diploma mill. Hard to tell with some of them... lol

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Never had my door kicked open but when i was in my senior year in high school i decided to do that old prank...


start iexplore http://www.google.com/
but times a million!

I thought it would be funny and i changed the icon to the explorer icon and then hid the extension and put it on the student account which atleast half the school used. Needless to say 2 hours later i was in a history class and the computer went down...

They found me at the bus... I was in trouble...

Best prank eva!

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Hello

I know a story but

I can not tell you because

i am

>>> beitcertified .

wow i am so glad that you contributed that bit of information to the forms...

if you have nothing to add to the conversation why did you reply to the thread?

edit... perhaps that was too harsh... statement retracted

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