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so let me get this straight?

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most of the "hackers" here use visual basic on windows?

No, they run MS Word through wine on Linux to code VB... :P

Seriously, you may find some people of the type "I code VB in Windows" but that's certainly not the majority. I'd say that a large proportion of our users are using a free operating system and have the decency not to code in VB. Did we make you feel like we're all a bunch of VB programmers on Windows thinking we're elite?

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I'm thinking this is just a spam thread. His beautifully spammed banner is bigger than his complaint...

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I'm thinking this is just a spam thread. His beautifully spammed banner is bigger than his complaint...

I just removed the banner, I guess it's just spam. If he was serious he'll just reply I guess.

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most of the "hackers" here use visual basic on windows?

It is true :yes:

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Dont make me load notepad.txt

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I was just curious. Saw a whole bunch of windows 7 / vb related posts. I am still astonished when any "hacker" is running windows :D

thanks :P

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I am still astonished when any "hacker" is running windows :D

Well, that's where most of the market share exists...IIRC, a good percentage of malware propagates through either MS Word and Internet Explorer due to inbuilt scripting.

Personally, I like C, but I've been coding a lot of 8080/8085 Assembly lately.

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I was just curious. Saw a whole bunch of windows 7 / vb related posts. I am still astonished when any "hacker" is running windows :D

thanks :P

Why wouldn't a hacker run Windows? Isn't it the most popular OS to date? Isn't it another opportunity to learn? Hacking isn't about following the rest of the sheep and hating Microsoft. Hacking is about learning. In fact, I would not consider someone who ignores Windows simply because it's popular to hate a hacker.

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I was just curious. Saw a whole bunch of windows 7 / vb related posts. I am still astonished when any "hacker" is running windows :D

thanks :P

Why wouldn't a hacker run Windows? Isn't it the most popular OS to date? Isn't it another opportunity to learn? Hacking isn't about following the rest of the sheep and hating Microsoft. Hacking is about learning. In fact, I would not consider someone who ignores Windows simply because it's popular to hate a hacker.

i dont hate microsoft (well maybe I do a bit, but that's got nothing to do will this). server side of the Internet is mostly in linux/apashe...

also you are less secure in windows, more likely to catch a virus. if you are trying to keylog people = windows. systems hacking - linux/solaris

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I was just curious. Saw a whole bunch of windows 7 / vb related posts. I am still astonished when any "hacker" is running windows :D

thanks :P

Why wouldn't a hacker run Windows? Isn't it the most popular OS to date? Isn't it another opportunity to learn? Hacking isn't about following the rest of the sheep and hating Microsoft. Hacking is about learning. In fact, I would not consider someone who ignores Windows simply because it's popular to hate a hacker.

The only people I know who completely shun Windows are Mac users.

By the way, it's incumbent upon anyone bashing Windows to offer a sensible reason as to why they hate it. I'll go first: I hate windows because it comes free with every cheap computer I buy. Too pedestrian. That means anyone in the world can have it. Not at all exclusive enough for me.

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I was just curious. Saw a whole bunch of windows 7 / vb related posts. I am still astonished when any "hacker" is running windows :D

thanks :P

Why wouldn't a hacker run Windows? Isn't it the most popular OS to date? Isn't it another opportunity to learn? Hacking isn't about following the rest of the sheep and hating Microsoft. Hacking is about learning. In fact, I would not consider someone who ignores Windows simply because it's popular to hate a hacker.

The only people I know who completely shun Windows are Mac users.

By the way, it's incumbent upon anyone bashing Windows to offer a sensible reason as to why they hate it. I'll go first: I hate windows because it comes free with every cheap computer I buy. Too pedestrian. That means anyone in the world can have it. Not at all exclusive enough for me.

haha.

i hate windows cause the shell is case insensitive, doesnt handle arrays, system allows anyone to modify important files, and is closed source.

btw, macs rule ^^

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I was just curious. Saw a whole bunch of windows 7 / vb related posts. I am still astonished when any "hacker" is running windows :D

thanks :P

Why wouldn't a hacker run Windows? Isn't it the most popular OS to date? Isn't it another opportunity to learn? Hacking isn't about following the rest of the sheep and hating Microsoft. Hacking is about learning. In fact, I would not consider someone who ignores Windows simply because it's popular to hate a hacker.

The only people I know who completely shun Windows are Mac users.

By the way, it's incumbent upon anyone bashing Windows to offer a sensible reason as to why they hate it. I'll go first: I hate windows because it comes free with every cheap computer I buy. Too pedestrian. That means anyone in the world can have it. Not at all exclusive enough for me.

haha.

i hate windows cause the shell is case insensitive, doesnt handle arrays, system allows anyone to modify important files, and is closed source.

btw, macs rule ^^

I hate Windows because it is owned by Microsoft and I hate Microsoft because of their business practices. I hate Apple for much the same reason.

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Just another tool. I have some installs around for tinkering with but dont use it for my own stuff...

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<arguments> 1. windows = open market for hardware i.e. look at the amazing choices in hardware buying a mac computer, o yeah everybody builds there own mac rig, you can totally run mac os x on a 2x 12core opteron system with 140gb of ram, o wait all you can have is a toy with s bad video card. just saying i like being able to choose my hardware not have it chosen for me. i mean if everyone owned mac everyone would own like 1 of 50 computers instead of having thousands of hardware configurations if not 10's 100's of thousands of configurations you could have with windows. sure linux/unix is pretty cool, but if everyone decided to hack/break into linux/unix/mac they would be so "secure" either, sure they are better than windows but if you have any decant 3rd party software windows is just as secure, can go years without having a single virus or trojan or malware with some amount of common sense of not downloading every shady application. 2. apache is horrible if you dont compile it yourself, there are faster options that use less ram the only benafit is its popularity in being able to get programs that will work with apache to monitor it and w.e. i mean its not really that amazing of a program by itself its just the human essence of trying to belong to a group that makes everyone use it. its only popular its not "Better." unix isnt "better" than windows for most tasks they are just different. + your reasons for linux/unix being better are invalid by those standards something like minix or beOS, or using a fin commedor64 because people brake into linux/solaris/bsd all the time compared to those, i mean how many people hijack files from peoples ti99's when they are sending them across the phone line nowdays? + not using windows could be argued as not being a hacker i mean theres a simililarity between hacking windows without knowing how it works and using programs/scripts you dont know how they work, i.e. being a script kiddie i mean it be pretty hard to hack windows without being familiar with it inless of course you'd be using other peoples programs to do it for you. your logic is flawed </jk but point still made>

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Compared to what was around in the apache1 days (iPlanet,zeus,IIS in its leakiest state,oracle web server),apache WAS leaps ahead :D

I wouldnt want to go back to the bad old days of a single hardware vendor for a platform either. still in pain at the cost of amiga stuff. Even sparcs are done cheap by fujitsu also nowadays...

I know of someone arrested but released because he used a 64 for his activities and they couldnt find a forensics specialist to pull his setup apart for evidence :biggrin:

The only complaint I have about linux is the push to make it desktop friendly its loosing its root slightly, removing the alt-f3 consoles, trying to replace vi with nano etc :D

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really? what dist do you use? any ive cared to use always have both vi/nano. id have to say being easier is always an advantage though, i mean say not using emacs, mostly because the oldest keyboard i have a 1974 ti99/4a has friggen arrow keys i have no need for emacs keys i have arrows/page up/down not using them would waste time moving your hand to press them. + they do the same thing, its like your comparing notepad and msword, people are just being stubborn and splitting hairs.

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Just niggles, like remembering to put stty erase ^H in your profile so the backspace works on a terminal server connected solaris box...

I run fedora on one of my desktops because for some stuff I can only get redhat binaries for, and gentoo on the second, and keep a xp desktop around because Im forced into that experience. Apart from them, a couple of debian installs (on xbox's...) , solaris8 9 and 10, xp, nt server,a freebsd box and others.

I hate windows because its proprietary and does its best to lock out competitors to my detriment. And Ive not forgiven ms for WindowsME and SBS2000 with its self corrupting mail spools yet. But its just another tool with the biggest userbase for your work to exhibit itself to.

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, and keep a xp desktop around because Im forced into that experience.

I think many people are forced into using Windows because of work (myself included). It's a self-perpetuating thing: Users are told that MS has everything they need and it's what everyone else has. So, that's what they get. Those of us who develop/support/etc then end up having to work with it because of all the users. The best one can hope for is to insert alternatives every now and then to turn the tide.

Luckily, the MS part of my work is very small, the rest is done with/for OSX, RHEL and Solaris.

MrFluffy -- that looks like FSOL's "ISDN" disc in your pic. Great fcking album.

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Yes, I run Windows 7 and I speak VB.

Of course I also run Ubuntu, openSolaris, ClusterKnoppix and I've got a laptop somewhere around here that still has BeOS. None of them run the games I play as well as Windows and yes I've spent countless hours in Ubuntu tweaking Wine. I don't have a preference for Windows, I have a legitimate need for DirectX. I also have a legitimate business need for remote access via LogMeIn. That's where Windows becomes necessary: when you need an exact specific product. OpenOffice != MS Office, but it's close enough for 99% of the people. Sometimes you're just in the other 1%.

I speak VB/VBScript/ASP because for a time it was my job. I speak BASIC because it's the first language I ever learned... on an Atari 2600... when I was 7. I also speak PHP, C, C++, Python, Java, JavaScript and tiny bits of less common/useful (to me) languages like LUA, COBOL and FORTRAN.

Hacking is not a game of exclusion. We can, each of us, choose to like or dislike whatever products or services we want - we maintain our individuality and there is no "hacker hive mind" to cause us to do otherwise. Matter of fact individuality and freedom of thought are ideals that real members of this community tend to believe in and value highly.

Of course the advent of good high-quality FOSS Virtual Machines this all becomes a moot point. Whatever you install directly on your hard drive is just the "host" OS. Once you boot into that you're free to do whatever you want. I've confused a few coworkers by remoting into my Win7 machine via LogMeIn while running an Ubuntu VM fullscreened. They still can't figure out how I got LogMeIn to work on Linux. Once the fun wears off I'll tell them :)

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Ha. Hey, Enmaku, your post intrigued me so I decided to click on your profile. And we have the same birthday. Not the same year, but same as in 15/02. heh

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thats true windowz is closed source but it also WORKS, its not EXPERIMENTAL software like linux where if it doesnt work its no ones fault but your own. well informed people must know that such types of software will take forever to ever have any kind of market share if it ever gets any part of the market not having any guarantee for it actually working, or working well. for any amount of normal people that to use it it would have to work on everyones computer and linux doesnt. its not good enough, it will be when you dont have to emulate windows drivers or custom compile kernels just to get it to work. + shouldnt be complaining about ms thats the economy the common public wanted, uno the sleezy tactics, trying to push all competition out of business ripping people of w.e. id say people are more forced because windows works better for the common tasks, like if you have some weird hardware all you have to do in windows is put in a driver disk, in linux you might have to custom compile a kernel, or emulate a windows driver, by that i mean its easier to set up a computer in windows than linux, where the only thing thats easier in linux is like breaking into peoples computers or putting your card into monitor mode, i mean its easier to do illegal activities, then it is to just run software like a random dx10 game. sure linux is cool, but if you have old hardware or new hardware, or weird hardware it doesnt work.

linux will probably be more popular when it starts getting more drivers, but will probably be awhile. apple will take more market from windows than linux will with their misleading commercials.

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thats true windowz is closed source but it also WORKS, its not EXPERIMENTAL software like linux where if it doesnt work its no ones fault but your own. well informed people must know that such types of software will take forever to ever have any kind of market share if it ever gets any part of the market not having any guarantee for it actually working, or working well. for any amount of normal people that to use it it would have to work on everyones computer and linux doesnt. its not good enough, it will be when you dont have to emulate windows drivers or custom compile kernels just to get it to work. + shouldnt be complaining about ms thats the economy the common public wanted, uno the sleezy tactics, trying to push all competition out of business ripping people of w.e. id say people are more forced because windows works better for the common tasks, like if you have some weird hardware all you have to do in windows is put in a driver disk, in linux you might have to custom compile a kernel, or emulate a windows driver, by that i mean its easier to set up a computer in windows than linux, where the only thing thats easier in linux is like breaking into peoples computers or putting your card into monitor mode, i mean its easier to do illegal activities, then it is to just run software like a random dx10 game. sure linux is cool, but if you have old hardware or new hardware, or weird hardware it doesnt work.

linux will probably be more popular when it starts getting more drivers, but will probably be awhile. apple will take more market from windows than linux will with their misleading commercials.

Wow, this is so wrong. In my experience (and thats all I can speak about) Linux has been way easier to get hardware working. Of course it depends on what disto is being used but the desktop versions of Linux (Ubuntu et al) have amazing hardware support. With old hardware in windows I have to find out the chipset of the device (either take it out the machine or install some 3d party software) look online, possibly sign up to a driver site, download an (insanely large) installer, install, reboot and hope it works. Then I need to find software to actually use the device. Unless i'm trying to do things the hard way (e.g. gentoo) I can turn the machine on, search the repositories for software and it works. I'm sure there are exceptions but I havent come across them myself.

I think more than anything people have become used to the Windows way of doing things. It's hard to get used to the idea of synaptic the first time round when most users are used to installing from a CD or searching the web for software.

Also it's important to remember that a lot of the problems with device drivers is the hardware vendors. They dont support alternative OSs as much as they should. Luckily it is starting to change (I was pretty amazed when my motherboard came with Linux drivers).

As for Linux being easier to do illegal activities. That's just BS. I think what you mean to say is that Linux gives the user more control over what their machine does.

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I have used vb but much prefer python and C over it(For personal and compatibility reasons).

The reason I use windows is that I find it is a better platform for reverse engineering, cygwin and virtualbox are always there for me if I need something that only runs on linux/unix.

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