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Just curious. There's a lot of buzz around about these lately so I figured I'd see where Binrev stands.

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I know that I will probably be executed for this but the greatest OS in history is XP professional SP3.

The whole XP line was great. Vista of course sucks but Windows 7 is going back to the XP paradigm which anyone who has played around with the betas know.

I can't wait for it to come out.

M$ gets knocked for its stuff and rightfully so but XP was an exception.

-----Phail_Saph-----

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Clearly the best was Windows 95. Don't you miss 3 reboots a day?

As for XP, it was received pretty badly at first. Pre-SP1, XP was quite buggy. Also, for the time it was resource heavy, so a lot of people complained they couldn't run it on their current machines. I always got a chuckle when people bashed Vista, yet praised XP which had similar problems at the start. Of course people were willing to bite the bullet since the alternative was Windows 98 (or for the enlightened few, Windows 2000). Now, you have XP which works and is stable, so you can sit back and poo Vista all you want.

I've also had no problems with Vista. If you have a fast enough machine, there's just not much to complain about. It works, what more do you want?

As long as you're listing future OSs, why not list Ubuntu 9.10?

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what can I say? I liek bill gates hot, sexy os.

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I voted for FreeBSD 7.2, but I'm excited about 8.0.

http://ivoras.sharanet.org/freebsd/freebsd8.html

- GCC has been relicensed under GPLv3, so FreeBSD is switching to the BSD-licensed CLANG+LLVM compiler infrastructure, which I think is very interesting.

- Parallel port builds

- procstat: A process inspection utility

- DTrace

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I've read some things about LLVM, and it all looks very promising. Maybe the reign of terrible compile times and quirkiness of GCC will soon be over? It's especially interesting to hear that an entire distro can be compiled using this new compiler as well. Why don't you try it out and tell us what you think once it's released?

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I've read some things about LLVM, and it all looks very promising. Maybe the reign of terrible compile times and quirkiness of GCC will soon be over? It's especially interesting to hear that an entire distro can be compiled using this new compiler as well. Why don't you try it out and tell us what you think once it's released?

I plan to do that, yes :)

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Clearly the best was Windows 95. Don't you miss 3 reboots a day?

I miss the 95 viruses, I could appreciate it when my cd-rom drive opened and burped at random intervals, I feel cheated nowadays with just getting my card number stolen, I'm getting nothing in return.

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You should have put OpenSolaris 2009.06 (it just came out) instead of Solaris 10 which has been released for a while already.

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Sorry for the misprints on version numbers.

All in all, I'm pretty surprised to see no love whatsoever for Fedora 11. But if I could vote, I woulda put Win7.

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I am usually not a big fan of Windows. Or Microsoft at all for that matter. But I have been using the Windows 7 beta as my main operating system and I am very pleased. I usually hate getting drivers for my computer. But as soon as I installed it and turned it on, it had all the drivers downloaded and was installing them. It was awesome. XD

Also, Microsoft is going to revolutionize gaming when Natal is released. I just hate to see what the price is going to be on that thing.

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Microsoft is really upping their game.

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m$ because there wasn't an opensolaris vote. but win 7 is pretty cool. liked the iso burner program they added even though its not really needed just the option to make sure it wrote correctly is nice.

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For desktop, I just keep it simple and use WinXP for most stuff. Sometimes Ubuntu or OpenBSD for specialized tasks. My main interests in OS's right now are Separation Kernels. I've been building quite a lot of crypto designs on top of them, for desktops and embedded. So have manufacturers. These things aren't perfect, but I can use them to protect Confidentiality and Integrity of my system building blocks. Say, a private key never leaves its Cell. So, which newer OS's do I like?

Green Hills INTEGRITY (with Padded Cell virtualization): rated at EAL6+ and survived NSA pen-testing. VMM is user-mode, too.

OKL4 Microkernel w/ User-mode Linux: open-source, ~15KLOC hypervisor in many HTC phones

seL4, formally verified to the code, is due out soon. Spec is done, and code will be for ARM processor. I would port it to x86, but I'm not a mathematician... :( May port Nizza Architecture services to it. When I have more time. ;)

All of these let me run almost everything in user-mode, totally isolate untrusted components from trusted ones, and carefully control how each partition communicates with each other. Quite frankly, I wish I had these things a long time ago. It makes designing things like Red-Black separation, VPN's, and trusted path mechanisms so much easier. The main issues that remain are driver privileges and CPU bugs, which Core Duo has like 100+ of and Itanium over 200. Some allow hijacking. Funny thing is that I can solve either issue one alone, but not both. Not without owning a fab... for now...

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I voted for Ubuntu cause I'm an Ubuntu fanboy like that, but I think Windows 7 seems very promising. I just wish MS would ditch all of that DRM stuff.

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Wow, the poll results left me speechless!

Windows 7 has a lot of enthusiasm behind it here on BinRev.

I picked 'Other'. The reason being is that even though I am enthusiastic about eventually learning the in's and out's of Free/Open-BSD, I've not put in much time to do so, yet. However, I rather like Debian, only because of the easiness of Aptitude for installing and removing software. I'm not really fan-boy'ish towards any distro./OS any more than any other - and I just started using Debian a couple months or so back.

I'd like to develop my own personal micro-distro of Debian, custom tailored to what I like and what I most commonly use. A lot of times, for all practical purposes, that means installing Fluxbox WM, and 'nixing Gnome.

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I'm excited about Ubuntu 9.10. It's supposed to have the fix for Intel graphics drivers so I can get compositing back, I have it now but I had to upgrade the kernel to 2.6.30 plus upgrade xserver-xorg and some other junk. Plus ext4 is supposed to be default. Maybe then they'll have fixed the ath5k driver too.

I've recently become a fan of PCBSD though too. It's FreeBSD but with a KDE4 frontend. Very nice except for the UFS filesystem is a bit slower than ext4 and the bootloader has been buggy for windows. Maybe it would help not to multi-boot 4 OS's at a time. :D

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Damn Small Linux for me...

All those other flavors lost their way; they are anti-windows by pretending to be windows. Makes no sense to me.

Real Linux is about being in complete control of the machine for the lowest cost both in money and resources.

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Just curious. There's a lot of buzz around about these lately so I figured I'd see where Binrev stands.

You might want to edit the poll to include Chrome OS...I'm curious to see how it compares against the other flavors of Linux.

-----Phail_Saph-----

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Chrome OS

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Chrome OS

Do you really think it will make an impact against M$? It's just another Linux distro...right? Linux isn't making much of an impact beyond the power user and hacker group...the whole netbook product line was supposed to be the opening for Linux but Windows dominates...the talk is that Chrome OS is first to start on netbook classes and then move on up the product line. My bet is that the same people who use linux, us, will install it and just add it to our pre-existing collection of flavors. What do you think? Will it change things around? Remember modern Apple OS's are linux based too and they've only inched up with the help of the semi-divine Jobs. BTW...ohm posted a link to a live Android distro...pretty cool.

-----Phail_Saph-----

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Chrome OS

Do you really think it will make an impact against M$? It's just another Linux distro...right? Linux isn't making much of an impact beyond the power user and hacker group...the whole netbook product line was supposed to be the opening for Linux but Windows dominates...the talk is that Chrome OS is first to start on netbook classes and then move on up the product line. My bet is that the same people who use linux, us, will install it and just add it to our pre-existing collection of flavors. What do you think? Will it change things around? Remember modern Apple OS's are linux based too and they've only inched up with the help of the semi-divine Jobs. BTW...ohm posted a link to a live Android distro...pretty cool.

-----Phail_Saph-----

Why does it have to make an impact on Windows market share to be a good thing? Really I don't care if Linux market share drops as a result of Chrome OS as long as, due to Google's involvement, some new and well polished software is released for the platform which I can use to my own benefit. (Well, I wouldn't want to see them go because strength in numbers is really good for 'fighting' vendors) Software can be good just by virtue of improving the current software ecosystem, it doesn't have to trash the competitor. So what if the same people are installing it and using it, it just means that those people have better software and more choices.

Also, Apple's OS is most certainly not linux based. True, it has UNIX underpinnings and much of Darwin comes from FreeBSD, but definitely not Linux.

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Chrome OS

Do you really think it will make an impact against M$? It's just another Linux distro...right? Linux isn't making much of an impact beyond the power user and hacker group...the whole netbook product line was supposed to be the opening for Linux but Windows dominates...the talk is that Chrome OS is first to start on netbook classes and then move on up the product line. My bet is that the same people who use linux, us, will install it and just add it to our pre-existing collection of flavors. What do you think? Will it change things around? Remember modern Apple OS's are linux based too and they've only inched up with the help of the semi-divine Jobs. BTW...ohm posted a link to a live Android distro...pretty cool.

-----Phail_Saph-----

Why does it have to make an impact on Windows market share to be a good thing? Really I don't care if Linux market share drops as a result of Chrome OS as long as, due to Google's involvement, some new and well polished software is released for the platform which I can use to my own benefit. (Well, I wouldn't want to see them go because strength in numbers is really good for 'fighting' vendors) Software can be good just by virtue of improving the current software ecosystem, it doesn't have to trash the competitor. So what if the same people are installing it and using it, it just means that those people have better software and more choices.

Also, Apple's OS is most certainly not linux based. True, it has UNIX underpinnings and much of Darwin comes from FreeBSD, but definitely not Linux.

No one is saying that it must take market share away from Windows to make an impact. But the objective of Chrome OS is to gain market share in a finite market dominated by M$. I'm throwing it out there that since alternatives have been out there for some time with minimal effect I'm wondering what people think of its potential to achieve its objective. I share your sentiment that the more ideas out there the better; diversity is good. Naturally, there are many things that can make a thing good or bad to a variety of people.

Also on that Apple thing you are splitting hairs...you are right technically...but the point I'm trying to convey is that all these alternatives are based in the Unix/BSD to Linux world and they haven't been able to penetrate to the consumer which has been the goal of each implementation. It is well known that when Apple made its move from its original proprietary OS to the modern one (forget which versions and don't care so much; I dislike apple more than M$) that it was based on a Unix-like paradigm which is what the general definition of Linux is...the Apple desktop is just a "shell" to the Unix-like machinery underneath. Chrome OS is "supposed" to be mostly Linux with some proprietary code so the definition here becomes cloudy but the important thing is that it follows the Unix to Unix like paradigm.

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ouch...you gave me a minus...I gave you a plus anyway because we both believe diversity is good.

-----Phail_Saph-----

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After beta testing windows 7 and seeing it really isnt much over vista I am not excited.

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