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TAP Zine Returns after 15+ years

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Is it fair to say that it's TAP in name only?

A few tips for the next edition:

1. Don't use Rapidshare to distribute a 1MB PDF.

2. Don't make your columns of text 4 words wide. Either use a smaller font, or drop that 50-50 column format altogether.

3. Avoid empty paranoid rants that take up a third of the magazine. Stuff like "Obama the 'Fro Marxist" can hurt a zine's image.

Obama, the Marxist with a 'Fro:

The new head of the new incoming regime is an Afro-Marxist. As Bill and Hillary Clinton were communitarians (Anglo-Russian Marxists) they managed their regime according to such philosophies. Barrack Hussein Obama’s ties to his family in Kenya, Africa includes support for the regimes being run by them in that part of the world. The brand of Marxism practiced by Afro-Marxists is one of strong hand tactics. They believe that no opposition to their policies should be tolerated.

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Europe cannot be counted on as allies as communism has become entrenched in nearly every government in Europe and Canada is so far down the socialist road that they couldn’t tell the difference between a communist and any member of the Canadian Parliament.

Sorry Ticom. Your article was good.

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wow that is in one of their articles?

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Wtf, rapidshare? weird...

So, did that issue come from some alternate Universe? Maybe if that Corcceigh Green person ever figures out what Marxism means, he can write a follow-up article. I mean, since Clinton never ushered in a fucking workers revolution... um, yeah.

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tapzine@safe-mail.net - Send them an email. I'm sure they welcome feedback.

TAP is TAP, and has changed a few times since it was started by the Yippies as an anti-war publication in the early 1970s.

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I got a phone call today from someone who told me about this "TAP" zine. There are those that say that "plagiarism" is the sincerest form of flattery. The plagiarized do not agree.

Thank you for bringing back some old memories, however. Namely, the TA Truckstop sign as part of the front page "logo". It was a Truckstops Of America where I picked up my first TWX Teletype message sent from a computer terminal.

http://CheshireCatalyst.Com/telex.html

It took me a minute to recognize the "8 Ball" logo. It didn't make the transition very well. I remember running across the sheet of 12 line and 8 line AT&T Logos in the art department of Teleconnect Magazine, and turning a 12 line logo from an AT&T Death Star into the 8 Ball. This version in the "new TAP" doesn't look at all like the old Death Star, making the satirical reference useless.

- Cheshire

http://CheshireCatalyst.Com

mailto:Cheshire@2600.Com

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So this has nothing to do with the original TAP? Just a tribute or knockoff or something?

Are there any online archives of TAP? I've never actually seen it.

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That first link was just what I was looking for, thanks.

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Hey, gbppr, thanks for proving my point. It's as if these people take pride in having no clue as to what they're talking about. I've read the stuff on this guys website. He seems to have a huge preoccupation with little boys and homosexuality... moreso than not having a clue about anything. That's impressive.

He posts news stories about lending to minorities, because, well... he hates them, just as he hates homosexuals (self-hate). But I'll sum up his argument for him. He believes that the current housing crisis was caused by forced lending to "people who didn't deserve it." A nice excuse for a moron, maybe. So what did the recipients of these loans do? (Overwhelmingly NOT minorities, by the way... obviously.) They went out and got houses too expensive for them. They lived outside of their means. That was their CHOICE to do so, and it bit them in the ass. So I can only surmise is that what people like gbppr are saying is that those Americans should not have had that CHOICE to live beyond their means. That the Government should have stepped in and disallowed them from making that bad choice.

Funny how such people claim to be Republicans and for small Government, etc., but then at the same time want the Government to govern the choices they make. Why do you hate America so much, gbppr? Why do you hate Freedom?

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It isn't freedom he hates, it's the niggers that fuck it up for everyone. That and me apparently, as he says I should be murdered. Heh. :D

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I can see why he hasn't been banned yet. What's a circus without clowns?

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It isn't freedom he hates, it's the niggers that fuck it up for everyone. That and me apparently, as he says I should be murdered. Heh. :D

Damn.. If he can get that broken dick out of his ass, he might feel better. That's gotta be one, if not the most, constipated rants I've ever seen.

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Since we heard our reincarnation of the greatest underground technofreak zine ever is getting some press here, we had to join. There are a couple things that need to be addressed.

1. Ozzie, you dropped TAP in 1984 for whatever reason(s), and kept the maildrop up for two years taking people's money and not providing any subscriptions. You have done nothing with TAP for the past 25 years except ride on the fact that you were the "last" editor (an incorrect assertion by the way), and gloss over the fact that you ripped people off. Your time with TAP is long done. Now is our time.

2. Anyone is free to mirror copies of our esteemed periodical on their websites. We are too busy working on a newsletter to keep a website up, and have no interest in doing so. If you don't like pulling the latest issue off rapidshare you have two options: wait until it becomes available on a mirror site or subscribe to the print version in a year when we start it.

3. This is not your father's TAP. Deal with it.

4. For the record, the editorial policy of TAP is as follows: Political viewpoint ranging from Heinlein Libertarian to right-wing, anti-communist, anti-socialist, anti-tribalist, fiscal conservative, free-market capitalist, objectivist, pro-constitutionalist, pro-limited government. With the majority of the staff being veterans over the age of 30, what else would you expect? I'm sure this upsets all of you who think Ayn Rand was a Nazi, but we're not writing for you. You have 2600 after all. If this policy offends you, then don't read TAP.

5. Since previous editors of TAP decided to fuck things up in a spectacular fashion, the first 12 issues (or year) of the newsletter is going to be given out gratis in electronic format. At that time we will make print subscriptions available, if we see sufficient interest. You can be rest assured that unlike previous editors we're not going to take your hard-earned money unless we're actually offering a real product.

6. Yes, the double column format came out looking all fucked up. The individual responsible for that was "counseled".

-TAP

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Well, since this has become somewhat political, I might as well add my responses to a few of these posts. First, gbppr:

A government forcing banks to give loans and mortgages to people who can't repay them for the sake of "feeling good" reaks of Marxism, sparky.

Being fairly knowledgable of political science, I cannot agree with the viewpoint that this is an instance of "Marxism", but it is certainly despicable in my opinion-for the record, I am in concurrence with the raw, out-of-context disgust at it, but not with gbppr's other political views presented here or with the classification of it as "Marxism". The principle that he mentions is terrible enough in my opinion; little need exists to assign inaccurate political epithets to it.

4. For the record, the editorial policy of TAP is as follows: Political viewpoint ranging from Heinlein Libertarian to right-wing, anti-communist, anti-socialist, anti-tribalist, fiscal conservative, free-market capitalist, objectivist, pro-constitutionalist, pro-limited government. With the majority of the staff being veterans over the age of 30, what else would you expect? I'm sure this upsets all of you who think Ayn Rand was a Nazi, but we're not writing for you. You have 2600 after all. If this policy offends you, then don't read TAP.

Excellent! Most elements of this are similar to my own political philosophy! I might just read this a bit...

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That's true, this isn't Marxism: the government didn't force this on the banks. The two cut a deal: banks got money, in exchange for conditions on how that money was spent. Believe it or not, this is capitalism. The product exchanged between the two parties was money. Mind you, it was a poorly thought out knee-jerk solution, but that's what it was. The banks aren't nationalized here. They're not government owned, or government property. They are independent businesses, and they made a deal out of their own free will.

But if you want to prevent businesses from making deals, from being able to do what they believe is to be in their best interest, then where does that leave you? Certainly not on the side of capitalism.

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I intended to remove myself from this discussion, the likes of which has strayed far off course from TAP to bank bailouts, following my last post, but Seal brings forth a point that deserves to be debated in a civil fashion. Seal, I believe that you slightly misunderstand my insinuation. When I described the bailouts as "despicible" I meant that they were thus also from the banks' perspective, for accepting funds from the state, which I essentially perceive to be a coercive criminal organization. This issue may be seen and described from a large matrix of viewpoints; if you wish to debate it further, please take it to PM. :)

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4. For the record, the editorial policy of TAP is as follows: Political viewpoint ranging from Heinlein Libertarian to right-wing, anti-communist, anti-socialist, anti-tribalist, fiscal conservative, free-market capitalist, objectivist, pro-constitutionalist, pro-limited government. With the majority of the staff being veterans over the age of 30, what else would you expect? I'm sure this upsets all of you who think Ayn Rand was a Nazi, but we're not writing for you. You have 2600 after all. If this policy offends you, then don't read TAP.

Hmm, Heinlein? The guy who wrote science fiction books for teenagers? So being veterans over 30 what else would I expect? Your political viewpoints to be defined by Starship Troopers, a juvenile, poorly written, overtly militaristic, utopian fascist book? Um, now that you mention it...

And I've never in my life heard anyone call Ayn Rand a Nazi. A shit philosopher, maybe. We are talking about the same anti-religion, anti-Vietnam, McCarthy and Reagan bashing Ayn Rand, correct? There isn't another one that I'm unaware of, is there?

But I'm pretty sure it's just an attempt to legitimize paranoid, racist, homophobic, fascist thought. No one admits that their political philosophy is selfish, nigger hating, fag bashing, towel head bombing, right wing loony toon fascism. Not in mixed company, at least.

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Since the editors are probably reading, and to put it out there for the people here, others here may know me to be a pretty dedicated Libertarian - an anarchist even, though I am willing to work to toward a goal of small state minarchism, and do so IRL. So I come down on one side of that debate to throw the bias out there on my end. All humans have some. There's mine.

Anyway, I'm one voice pissing in a sea of Internets, but I'd urge the editors to be inclusive for all anarchist and/or resistance thought. I feel that one side is just, and the other philosophies unjust, but that is the advantage you have. Take your bias and it's advantage and use it to it's fullest capacity. Urge Anarcho-communists (like the original Yippies who covered the 68 DNC in banners that read "Up against the wall motherfuckers!" and put out the first YIPL zines) to write. Urge students of Proudhon and Chomsky to write for you. Besides there being many technically capable people who might do so, with inclusion comes exposure to thought they hadn't seen. Don't fear "losing" people to your side or whatever. It was von Mises who pointed out in all their public discourse and private debate, Keynes had never turned a student of his. He turned literally dozens of students of Keynes directly, and associates like Hayek, Hazlitt, and Rothbard turned many more after his death. They are the most receptive audience you will find, that don't already agree with the freedom of association principles and non-aggression axiom in the market we believe in. In fact, in 1990ish, I was friends with Rainbows and dancing around in Ocala National Forest with my Chosky, Spooner and Proudhon books, by 95 I had been handed Economics in One Lesson and The Lesson After 30 Years by an ancap friend. It clicked. These people understand the dangers of state, but Ancoms for instance think that a Stand Alone Complex-style rise of the proletariat will usher in an age of mutual aid societies and egalitarian stateless communism using direct action in the meantime.

These needn't be mutually exclusive. Under one system, a true free market, the people would be free to do as they wish and some may work for individual good, while some establish enclaves and communes of cooperation free of the yoke of state. In either case, they are free, and a commune isn't akin to the current slavery we are all in. Entire state sized portions of the US for instance, may do just that. In the other, and this is where thinkers like Proudhon made an enemy of Marx and his use of force to compel the proletariat ... people are not free to opt out of a state and make life what they wish, whether it be the collective good of a circle of friends or for one's own satisfaction and wealth. Charity and cooperation are the goal, not the enemy, and only freedom can allow that goal to work. Lenin, Stalin, Mao and others have proven that. It was Rand herself who said there is no goal more noble than the goal of the individual striving to better themselves. The outcome of that goal is predestined as illustrated by von Mises in the brilliant points on praxeology in Human Action. Statists are lost causes, as are the one time thinkers and current shills like Greenspan and other "turned talent" ... but anarchist non-Marxists and Non-Keynesians are ripe for your views. They see the problems, and agree on the exact same solution but not what the outcome of that solution will be. Exposure to the justness of freedom to opt out and the tyranny of state sanctioned collective goals are just a speech away for some of them, and a half year of reading for others. Something to be considered if the long term goals of the publication.

All it takes is a single post from the editors saying they have decided it's counterproductive to be exclusionary. That because one voice a submitter may disagree with has been given a platform doesn't mean yours won't as well. Not all collectivists are Marxists, any more than all capitalists are Keynesians. The ones who aren't (on both sides) need to be reached out to, for the reasons above ... and if you disagree, than do so for the reason of the enemy of your enemy being your friend, for the time being.

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Hmm, Heinlein? The guy who wrote science fiction books for teenagers? So being veterans over 30 what else would I expect? Your political viewpoints to be defined by Starship Troopers, a juvenile, poorly written, overtly militaristic, utopian fascist book? Um, now that you mention it...

http://cheshirecatalyst.com/sidebar.html#army

"Sir," I said, "I'm a Robert Heinlein fan!"

-Cheshire Catalyst

I consider The Moon is a Harsh Mistress and Revolt in 2100 to be mandatory reading.

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Heh, I'm sure many people like Heinlein. I would imagine he's on most Top 50 or Top 100 Sci-Fi author lists. I still think his books are kinda dumb, but I really don't feel like writing a 1000 word article here about why I think so.

It would probably be more productive for anyone who's interested to just go read the books. The two that Ticom mentioned, Starship Troopers... and probably Stranger in a Strange Land and Have Spacesuit, Will Travel. Come to your own conclusion.

edit: 1000 WORD article, not 1000 page, lol. Don't know what I was thinking there

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All his books end up being about some vast conspiracy or something. I read a few (Puppet Masters and The Moon is a Harsh Mistress) and they were pretty good I guess. Not really my favorite though.

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Well, to tie this back to the main point...

It appears that someone has started a new zine and called it TAP. The people who were last running the old zine were not aware of it. So this new TAP zine has no relationship to the previous incarnation. I just want that to be clear to everyone in case it was lost in the thread.

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