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IE 8 Beta consumes more RAM than Windows XP

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... holy crap. Why can't they just... do it right? Not that Firefox or Opera do everything right, but they at least try to conserve your resources (unless Firefox's cache goes awry that is). I'm not getting a RAM upgrade just so I can use IE 8 (or install Windows so I can use it, for that matter). Microsoft's philosophy toward computer resources seems to be "let's use it all for out programs and leave none of the other programs." That makes sense really, if their programs are bloated it makes other programs run slower, so people think they need a faster computer. When they go buy one, MS gets more money because every new computer (at least bought by people who don't know any better) comes with a copy of Windows. OK, maybe that's one of those conspiracy theory nutjob kind of ideas, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were true :P

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Wow...that's a lot of resource consumption. I guess all programming is becoming more bloated -- as machines become faster in general, there's less reason to optimize code, and less noticeable ill effects come of improper programming. But still, 400 MB of RAM? Maybe each IE 8 tab really loads a separate instance of Firefox...

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oh god here goes another bitch fest about how new programs wont run on my outdated shit blah blah blah, i mean really how cheap is ram and a decent proc? if your shit is old then run old shit on it but dont fucking whine about how you old ass year 2005 box wont run the newest most resource intensive programs, fuck i hate it when people sit and bitch about ancient hardware that wont run brand new shit, get with the fucking times or live in the fucking past choose one but dont cry about how you cant do both.

ps i also tend to agree with most of the comments people posted about his article, lets get a few more benchmark tests from a few more reliable sources and do our own testing before we jump on the fuck MS bandwagon and try to be cool.

There's a big different between using the resources available to you in the average machine and using them recklessly. That is an excessive amount of RAM for a web browser, even for current average machines. Most machines now are being sold with 1 or 2 gigs of RAM. 400 megs (plus some more for the open tabs) is half to a quarter of your RAM. For a web browser.

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I am trying this new Google Chrome and I just found that it uses a lot of resources as well

Chrome.exe 5,768k

Chrome.exe 11,068k

Chrome.exe 11,248k

Chrome.exe 20,272k

And that is just with 2 tabs open. You need all of those processes running to use it.

If you stop the 3 that are using less then 12,000k then you lose all of the function of Google Chrome. You can start them back up by just hitting enter when you go on each of the tabs you have to bring back the page you were on.

Sure that is only 48,356K but I could be using that some where else. Firefox only used 20,000k max for my computer on a windows base computer and a little less on Linux.

I am just shocked that IE 8 Beta uses more ram then xp. XP can run on only 126MB in a non-Safe Mode environment.

I do not know. I am happy with my Firefox on my Linux Box.

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Opera with 50+ open tabs consuming ~250 MB RAM

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oh god here goes another bitch fest about how new programs wont run on my outdated shit blah blah blah, i mean really how cheap is ram and a decent proc? if your shit is old then run old shit on it but dont fucking whine about how you old ass year 2005 box wont run the newest most resource intensive programs, fuck i hate it when people sit and bitch about ancient hardware that wont run brand new shit, get with the fucking times or live in the fucking past choose one but dont cry about how you cant do both.

ps i also tend to agree with most of the comments people posted about his article, lets get a few more benchmark tests from a few more reliable sources and do our own testing before we jump on the fuck MS bandwagon and try to be cool.

It's not a matter of whining because it won't work so much as there's no valid reason for a browser/OS that requires as many resources (I fucking hate Vista) as Microsofts' products do.

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I am just shocked that IE 8 Beta uses more ram then xp. XP can run on only 126MB in a non-Safe Mode environment.

A little more on the geeky side, you might want to check out XP Minimal-Requirements.

http://www.winhistory.de/more/386/xpmini_eng.htm

8mhz and 20 megs of ram. It will boot, but takes 30 minutes, and 100% cpu at idle.

/offtopic

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I am just shocked that IE 8 Beta uses more ram then xp. XP can run on only 126MB in a non-Safe Mode environment.

A little more on the geeky side, you might want to check out XP Minimal-Requirements.

http://www.winhistory.de/more/386/xpmini_eng.htm

8mhz and 20 megs of ram. It will boot, but takes 30 minutes, and 100% cpu at idle.

/offtopic

I seem to remember a friend who actually got it to install on a 486 machine. I don't think it exactly ran, and he had to max out the RAM (to something like a HUGE 32 megs), but solitaire ran reasonably well.

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http://www.google.com/chrome/eula.html

appears to give Google a nonexclusive right to display and distribute every bit of content transmitted through the browser

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http://www.google.com/chrome/eula.html

appears to give Google a nonexclusive right to display and distribute every bit of content transmitted through the browser

To save us all the legalese (in the insultingly small, "we know you're not going to read this anyway" iframe), which paragraph are you referring to?

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http://www.google.com/chrome/eula.html

appears to give Google a nonexclusive right to display and distribute every bit of content transmitted through the browser

To save us all the legalese (in the insultingly small, "we know you're not going to read this anyway" iframe), which paragraph are you referring to?

He was referring to section 11, which currently reads

11. Content license from you

11.1 You retain copyright and any other rights you already hold in Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services.

but previously was copied straight from the general google general Terms of Service

11. Content licence from you

11.1 You retain copyright and any other rights you already hold in Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services. By submitting, posting or displaying the content you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive licence to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services. This licence is for the sole purpose of enabling Google to display, distribute and promote the Services and may be revoked for certain Services as defined in the Additional Terms of those Services.

11.2 You agree that this licence includes a right for Google to make such Content available to other companies, organizations or individuals with whom Google has relationships for the provision of syndicated services, and to use such Content in connection with the provision of those services.

11.3 You understand that Google, in performing the required technical steps to provide the Services to our users, may (a) transmit or distribute your Content over various public networks and in various media; and (B) make such changes to your Content as are necessary to conform and adapt that Content to the technical requirements of connecting networks, devices, services or media. You agree that this licence shall permit Google to take these actions.

11.4 You confirm and warrant to Google that you have all the rights, power and authority necessary to grant the above licence.

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A little more on the geeky side, you might want to check out XP Minimal-Requirements.

http://www.winhistory.de/more/386/xpmini_eng.htm

8mhz and 20 megs of ram. It will boot, but takes 30 minutes, and 100% cpu at idle.

/offtopic

I'm sure it will, but can you use it. I meant to have a computer that was useful.

Minimal-Requirements, is what I was talking about. Not barely able to run. :D

I have seen other crazy things like that, with Windows Vista.

But good point.

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... holy crap. Why can't they just... do it right? Not that Firefox or Opera do everything right, but they at least try to conserve your resources (unless Firefox's cache goes awry that is). I'm not getting a RAM upgrade just so I can use IE 8 (or install Windows so I can use it, for that matter). Microsoft's philosophy toward computer resources seems to be "let's use it all for out programs and leave none of the other programs." That makes sense really, if their programs are bloated it makes other programs run slower, so people think they need a faster computer. When they go buy one, MS gets more money because every new computer (at least bought by people who don't know any better) comes with a copy of Windows. OK, maybe that's one of those conspiracy theory nutjob kind of ideas, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were true :P

No paranoia, no conspiracy. That's exactly how it works.

I used to work in the Service department of a smallish chain computer store. I remember one customer who came in to pick up her year-old computer that was loaded down with so much spyware that she (a single mother with several kids) was worried that maybe it was irreparably broken and she'd have to buy a new oine. My manager wasn't around at the time, so I set it up and booted into Windows to show the lady what I'd found: like 15-20 running malware processes and 30 GB of porn filling up the hard drive. She said she rarely touched the computer and her kids mostly used it for their homework. Yeah... "homework"... Anyway, I deleted all the porn and showed her how to scan and remove the spyware (this was several years ago, before most of the really insidious malware had emerged) and then I pointed her in the direction of the AV and parental control software. I have no doubt that if I hadn't gone to all the trouble of educating her about that stuff, she would have flipped $1000 on a new machine that would have again ended up bogged down with spyware and porn within a few months.

This was an extreme case of spyware, but spyware and bloatware have the same overall effect of bogging down a system. The user gets sick of his or her machine running like shit, so they just trash it and buy a new one. The manufacturer makes out, Microsoft makes out, Intel makes out, the consumer feels that their craving for a new gadget has been satisfied, and the credit card company gets their hooks in even deeper. Then I find their year-old computer sitting in the back alley next to the garbage cans, take it home, install Linux on it and it runs like a dream. Everybody's happy. The Circle of Life is complete.

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if IE8 is so bad why not make your own browser not all that hard if you know how to use"vb"(which supposedly sucks and cant do anything but yeah) and make it as simple or complex as you want (hell why not make a good browser with some "tools" built in)

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if IE8 is so bad why not make your own browser not all that hard if you know how to use"vb"(which supposedly sucks and cant do anything but yeah) and make it as simple or complex as you want (hell why not make a good browser with some "tools" built in)

Huh? I don't think anyone said it was trivial, but there are several other big-name browser engines that do the same thing for a fraction of the resources. KDE's KHTML/Apple's WebKit, the Gecko engine (which powers Mozilla) and Opera's HTML rendering engine all have more features, adhere to the standards more closely and use very little resources. There's simply no reason IE 8 has to use that much RAM.

But if you think you can go off and build your own in VB... good luck.

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