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Interrogations, lie detector tests, FBI, things of that nature

The FBI used lie detector tests?

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Lie detector tests are not admissible evidence. You can lie all you want and they can't use it in court.

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Lie detector tests are not admissible evidence. You can lie all you want and they can't use it in court.

Not true in every case, but it can still be presented and it usually sways the jury.

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Interrogations, lie detector tests, FBI, things of that nature

The FBI used lie detector tests?

No, two separate occasions. that was a third party company my school hired, but the guy who administered the test told me he was former FBI and that's what he did with them. I personally have no reason to not believe him. Why?

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I just wanted to check really because (as said before me) I have seen articles claiming the FBI etc have never used lie detector tests because they are too circumstancial. There was a recent statement released saying how the FBI had only tested it and found it to be easily broken with certain techniques. I'll see if I can find it and I'll post it.

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I just wanted to check really because (as said before me) I have seen articles claiming the FBI etc have never used lie detector tests because they are too circumstancial. There was a recent statement released saying how the FBI had only tested it and found it to be easily broken with certain techniques. I'll see if I can find it and I'll post it.

Well, having been through it (and researching it heavily the night before) I can tell you that they are pretty solid. They work way different than most people seem to think; you can't just hook someone up to a machine and just ask them questions, it doesn't work that way. And for the record, most of the stuff out there about how to "beat" them is bullshit.

If you're ever in a situation you have to take one, just tell the truth. You will not beat it. In fact, I'm willing to wager money on that.

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At my high school every student gets a laptop but we do not have admin accounts is there any way to get the admin password so i can have access to it

if there is any way please let me know thx.

You could put a key logger on there and then ask a teacher that knows the admin to log in and enable you to do something that would require you to be admin.

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I fail to understand, personally, this quest some people have with hacking school PC's. School networks for the most part are not designed with security in mind so why bother. If its too impress your friends, time to find new friends. You are better off setting up a home lab and studying techniques in the privacy of your own home. You can break it all you want and still not have to worry about the ramifications. It seems, ironically, almost juvenile.

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I fail to understand, personally, this quest some people have with hacking school PC's. School networks for the most part are not designed with security in mind so why bother. If its too impress your friends, time to find new friends. You are better off setting up a home lab and studying techniques in the privacy of your own home. You can break it all you want and still not have to worry about the ramifications. It seems, ironically, almost juvenile.

brill

Except for the fact that these high school students are more or less broke and are lucky if they can buy a single PC, much less several plus routers and switches. If you're a curious kid, school might be the only place you have to explore and learn.

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I fail to understand, personally, this quest some people have with hacking school PC's. School networks for the most part are not designed with security in mind so why bother. If its too impress your friends, time to find new friends. You are better off setting up a home lab and studying techniques in the privacy of your own home. You can break it all you want and still not have to worry about the ramifications. It seems, ironically, almost juvenile.

brill

Well, to be a pendant, it's not that ironic as he/she is a juvenile. Therefore, it's to be expected and is not counter intuitive.

Other than that, I completely agree with your point. School's are not "Gibsons" and are not hard to "hack" or compromise. They are actually (well, public schools anyway) government funded entities, but unlike most government related institutions, they really could care less about their security. It's getting better, but only because making things more secure (against basic attacks) has become more automated and easier to maintain. However, because they are government funded and they, obviously, maintain goverment property (your grades and such) and by modifying said property, you can (and will mind you) be charged with vandalizing government property.

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Short and simple.

Government funded computers.

You hack it? You pay the price.

You don't collect 200, you go straight to expulsion along with possibly fines and charges.

Why fines you ask? Well, it will take the admins some time to fix what you did.

May not be something big, but they will still have YOU pay for their time.

Easiest method is to just do it on your own computer.

Setup a VMWare or something, and attack that.

Or, use a public website like hackthissite.

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that or just install some random games on a flash drive then play them at school its not all that hard.. o well computers with the "novell" login programs are fun when they make it super easy to view what your logins can do. how many people can login on ur account, what your subscription is, ect ect just change ur password and ask a tell the teacher your password doesnt work and they (usually) cant look up your current password just the password u were given and will give you a random login so you can brake rules and not get in trouble. that or just get a express version of .net and make a internet window inside of a website and go to face book or whatever is so important..

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that or just install some random games on a flash drive then play them at school its not all that hard.. o well computers with the "novell" login programs are fun when they make it super easy to view what your logins can do. how many people can login on ur account, what your subscription is, ect ect just change ur password and ask a tell the teacher your password doesnt work and they (usually) cant look up your current password just the password u were given and will give you a random login so you can brake rules and not get in trouble. that or just get a express version of .net and make a internet window inside of a website and go to face book or whatever is so important..

I think you're a little confused about the point of this post and the overall point of this forum.

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that or just install some random games on a flash drive then play them at school its not all that hard.. o well computers with the "novell" login programs are fun when they make it super easy to view what your logins can do. how many people can login on ur account, what your subscription is, ect ect just change ur password and ask a tell the teacher your password doesnt work and they (usually) cant look up your current password just the password u were given and will give you a random login so you can brake rules and not get in trouble. that or just get a express version of .net and make a internet window inside of a website and go to face book or whatever is so important..

I think you're a little confused about the point of this post and the overall point of this forum.

o of course how could i forget the main point, the main point isn't to do whatever you want to do that you need a admin password for; it was to hack a school computer and get in trouble like 99.998% of the time

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I remember reading an article a few years back about how a student obtained the admin password to his school issued laptop, the student then turned around and gave out the password to a number of other students, those students then told a number of other students a things spiriled out of control. Once the kids had admin they were able to disable internet filters and view porn. When it was all said and done the school singled out 13 students and charged them with felonies.

Here's something I found about it, http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2005/08/68480

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I remember reading an article a few years back about how a student obtained the admin password to his school issued laptop, the student then turned around and gave out the password to a number of other students, those students then told a number of other students a things spiriled out of control. Once the kids had admin they were able to disable internet filters and view porn. When it was all said and done the school singled out 13 students and charged them with felonies.

Here's something I found about it, http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2005/08/68480

But those barriers proved easily surmountable: The administrative password that allowed students to reconfigure computers and obtain unrestricted internet access was easy to obtain. A shortened version of the school's street address, the password was taped to the backs of the computers.

taped to the back of the computers?? Ummm... if they GAVE the password to the kids how were they unauthorized??

Also, the school system knew that porno could be found on the internet .. So what if it was 'filtered' The filter should have been on a machine they couldn't get access too, not the end terminal. So, shouldn't the school also be charged for providing access to pornographic materials to the children? fair is fair.

taping the pw's to the back of a computer is no different then handing a kid a pack of cigarettes, a lighter, and saying, "Don't Smoke."

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taped to the back of the computers?? Ummm... if they GAVE the password to the kids how were they unauthorized??

Also, the school system knew that porno could be found on the internet .. So what if it was 'filtered' The filter should have been on a machine they couldn't get access too, not the end terminal. So, shouldn't the school also be charged for providing access to pornographic materials to the children? fair is fair.

taping the pw's to the back of a computer is no different then handing a kid a pack of cigarettes, a lighter, and saying, "Don't Smoke."

Well yeah it was a load of BS. But it just goes to show how far a school's willing to take this kind of activity.

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I fail to understand, personally, this quest some people have with hacking school PC's. School networks for the most part are not designed with security in mind so why bother. If its too impress your friends, time to find new friends. You are better off setting up a home lab and studying techniques in the privacy of your own home. You can break it all you want and still not have to worry about the ramifications. It seems, ironically, almost juvenile.

brill

Well, to be a pendant, it's not that ironic as he/she is a juvenile. Therefore, it's to be expected and is not counter intuitive.

By its nature it is the definition of irony in terms of what what might be expected and what really occurs. I'm not sure how you posing as a piece of ornamental jewelery bears any significance, but I digress. Point is kids are kids and with that they don't typically use good judgement and/or showcase critical thinking.

brill

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Also, the school system knew that porno could be found on the internet .. So what if it was 'filtered' The filter should have been on a machine they couldn't get access too, not the end terminal. So, shouldn't the school also be charged for providing access to pornographic materials to the children? fair is fair.

Not really. While I agree that content filtering should be more of a centralized approach there always exists the opportunity for questionable sites to appear. It is extremely difficult to filter at 100% given the very dynamic nature of whats out there.

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At my high school every student gets a laptop but we do not have admin accounts is there any way to get the admin password so i can have access to it

if there is any way please let me know thx.

I would be careful to be sure they don't track everything you do on there, I know for a fact my school does

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