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google-"define: censorship"

Censorship is the suppression or deletion of material which may be considered objectionable, harmful or sensitive, as determined by a censor

These sorts of activities by college campuses are definitely censorship. The harder it is for students to access free information, the harder it is for them to learn skills which the college heads do not believe they deserve to have. Not only are filters annoying, but they are destructive to students who are interested in pursuing computer security as a career. I can't imagine how disappointed I would be with my school if I was unable to visit simple sites like binrev.com. I go to a large university and I have never seen a blocked website, so I am fortunate. Maybe a web page / database of different schools and their IT policies should be put together to embarrass the schools into improving their policies.

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Make sure to use torrent encryption (usually as easy as setting some options) and set up SSL tunneling if you can.

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These sorts of activities by college campuses are definitely censorship.

No, it isn't censorship. They are not "preventing" you from visiting porn sites, nor are they attempting to shut down and eliminate the porn sites. They're simply saying, "Hey, if you want to go look at porn, you need to make other arrangements since we don't want you doing that on our dime." They pay the bill, they determine how they want to provide the service.

The harder it is for students to access free information, the harder it is for them to learn skills which the college heads do not believe they deserve to have. Not only are filters annoying, but they are destructive to students who are interested in pursuing computer security as a career. I can't imagine how disappointed I would be with my school if I was unable to visit simple sites like binrev.com.

That's a pretty weak "in principle" argument. It has been stated, here and on numerous other forums, that if you have a legitimate (or in the parlance of the school, "educational") need to access a particular website that is blocked, there are usually means by which you can request access via the proper channels.

For every one college student who has a real need to access a blocked site, there are thousands of others who would simply sit and download porn all day long if it wasn't blocked. The school is doing what it needs to do in order to make sure that students are not distracted too much.

But let me ask you this... if the school did not provide Internet access to students at all, would that be considered censorship?

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No, it isn't censorship. They are not "preventing" you from visiting porn sites, nor are they attempting to shut down and eliminate the porn sites. They're simply saying, "Hey, if you want to go look at porn, you need to make other arrangements since we don't want you doing that on our dime." They pay the bill, they determine how they want to provide the service..

No, students pay the IT bill, students pay the tution, students pay service fees. It is the students that pay for the school and its internet connection. Also, if you ever go away to a college where you live in a dorm on campus, you will see that blocking certain sites on their network pretty much makes them off limits to you. You act as if it is different from what the chinese do, because the chinese do it on a larger scale.

For every one college student who has a real need to access a blocked site, there are thousands of others who would simply sit and download porn all day long if it wasn't blocked.

If there is a problem with people hoarding bandwidth, then restrict the amount that some people can use... the problem pretty much goes away.

The school is doing what it needs to do in order to make sure that students are not distracted too much.

They might as well start installing surveillance cameras to make sure students aren't goofing off when they should be studying... This is college, they have no right to tell a student what he should or should not be doing. If I am paying many thousands of dollars a year to go to a school with an information technology

fee on top of it all, I should be able to watch a little porn and read the websites I want.

As for your question, would it be censorship for the school to not provide internet access? The answer is yes, IF the school does it intentionally. A girl I went to high school with had a religious father who would prevent her from reading Harry Potter books and would burn clothes he thought were unsuitable (for the slightest reasons). Her father acted as a censor. Just because you think that the censorship is morally justified does not mean it is not censorship!

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My university encouraged hacking and had competitions and all nighter events with sponsors.

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They might as well start installing surveillance cameras to make sure students aren't goofing off when they should be studying... This is college, they have no right to tell a student what he should or should not be doing. If I am paying many thousands of dollars a year to go to a school with an information technology

fee on top of it all, I should be able to watch a little porn and read the websites I want.

As cynical as this sounds, a lot of colleges would probably prefer if you failed a couple courses cause then you'd have to pay again to retake them.

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No, it isn't censorship. They are not "preventing" you from visiting porn sites, nor are they attempting to shut down and eliminate the porn sites. They're simply saying, "Hey, if you want to go look at porn, you need to make other arrangements since we don't want you doing that on our dime." They pay the bill, they determine how they want to provide the service..

No, students pay the IT bill, students pay the tution, students pay service fees. It is the students that pay for the school and its internet connection. Also, if you ever go away to a college where you live in a dorm on campus, you will see that blocking certain sites on their network pretty much makes them off limits to you. You act as if it is different from what the chinese do, because the chinese do it on a larger scale.

For every one college student who has a real need to access a blocked site, there are thousands of others who would simply sit and download porn all day long if it wasn't blocked.

If there is a problem with people hoarding bandwidth, then restrict the amount that some people can use... the problem pretty much goes away.

The school is doing what it needs to do in order to make sure that students are not distracted too much.

They might as well start installing surveillance cameras to make sure students aren't goofing off when they should be studying... This is college, they have no right to tell a student what he should or should not be doing. If I am paying many thousands of dollars a year to go to a school with an information technology

fee on top of it all, I should be able to watch a little porn and read the websites I want.

As for your question, would it be censorship for the school to not provide internet access? The answer is yes, IF the school does it intentionally. A girl I went to high school with had a religious father who would prevent her from reading Harry Potter books and would burn clothes he thought were unsuitable (for the slightest reasons). Her father acted as a censor. Just because you think that the censorship is morally justified does not mean it is not censorship!

IF YOU CAN'T TAKE THE HEAT, GET OUT OF THE KITCHEN!

Honestly. Don't bitch about what they do with your money, especially when you signed up *knowing* what was going to happen. You gave it to them and they were up front with the fact that you would not be allowed to look at your furry love.

I'm sick and tired of people bitching about an organization not doing what they think it should do. You're not in control as soon as you sign their terms of service, that's why you sign!

You have the ability to make decisions. You weren't forced into spending your money at that college. If that's a big enough bone for you to pick at, go somewhere else or talk to the IT people and try to change it, or do SOMETHING other than complain.

End of rant.

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