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one of the hak5 viewers ( Harvard IP possibly.. he wearing a cheep looking black fedora, heavy set, dark hair... seen on their new stickam stream) and probably Darren (big grin tip off) were trying to kill (intrusion posibly with sploit or tor rootkit) a noob like me.. YES I UNDERSTAND I AM A NOOB! however like stankdawg I don't appreciate picking on noobs... or cluebies or however you want to call them. As I am defenseless to an extent. :mumble: <_< Would you accept a challenge you to a duel if i were holding the only gun? I did not provoke them. I do not wish harm to them. I just had an appreciation of the work they do.

However here is the real kicker? As years pass I've had a curiosity in programming... and network security. I am forced to use the community college circuit. To learn from whom networks are retardedly insecure and one unnamed teacher promotes hacking. Claims he knows things about kevin mitnick. I have seen the interview thebroken Episode 3 and own the art of deception (1/2 of it read). So where is a guy like me to learn but the internet from trusted sources? From people whom can explain a bit more than vague words such as this and that in their source code. Where only the veterans in that class can understand. <_< However I do not wish to make this a 3 page rant. I just want to make things clear where I am. Just your average... perhaps below average to some.. jobless geek.

----------------------------------btw define flaming in this context of what I've said---------------------------------------------

added note... netstat is fun... especially when not visiting port 80 at a harvard user ip range

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after examining some of the attacks used... METASPLOIT was used! <_< lame!! least in the past someone forced an infected matrix screensaver upon me... that to say the least was 1337

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oh and HACKER NOO NOO dont be posting research of your findings and use it on people... I find google fun...

lefkada.eecs.harvard.edu

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Dude, flaming happens. We've all been there and everyone still gets flamed from time to time. Just, don't take anything to heart and don't worry about what people say. You do what you need to do to feed your lust for knowledge. Do that, and they won't have an excuse to flame you when you've surpassed them in both knowledge and maturity.

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If I may, as a fellow n00b, interject.

There is some difficulty in learning how to hack. I learn what I can from here, hak5, pauldotcom, security now (forums and webcasts), etc. I try to use google, but to marginal success. I only learn stuff that seems very vague. It's a matter of simply not knowing where to look, or for what to look.

To top that off, the more established people don't want to help until you're past the n00b stage. Thus, it becomes a vicious loop. Can't hack? Can't learn to hack.

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Are you kids joking with me? Way back when I first got into hacking, I didn't even KNOW about forums, irc, I couldn't watch hacking videos, I didn't know about special sites that were all about hacking. I GOOGLED. And ya know what? I found so many old, old, OLD files on modems, dial-up hacking, packet switched networks and just really out of date stuff. But it didn't matter. The method for learning information, is to google for something. Read up on it, if it has terms you don't understand, google for that term. And thus, the cycle continues. For a good 3 yrs I did nothing except google, google, google. And I had actually learned a good deal. And no one on here or any other forum or site for that matter flames noobs for being noobs. We flame you if you ask questions that could honestly be solved by the simplest of searching. Finding IP addresses, installing software, getting around school restrictions... all those things and many more can be solved by simple google searches. So don't give me that crap on how google gives you limited success. You're just too lazy to take the time to read older files and learn something w/o having someone tell you the answer straight up.

/rant

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I would like to say that no one will explain their full source code to you, they might explain some of it but not in detail

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If I may, as a fellow n00b, interject.

There is some difficulty in learning how to hack. I learn what I can from here, hak5, pauldotcom, security now (forums and webcasts), etc. I try to use google, but to marginal success. I only learn stuff that seems very vague. It's a matter of simply not knowing where to look, or for what to look.

To top that off, the more established people don't want to help until you're past the n00b stage. Thus, it becomes a vicious loop. Can't hack? Can't learn to hack.

I would like to say that no one will explain their full source code to you, they might explain some of it but not in detail

You are meant to know how to program. It's assumed knowledge.

When you tell someone a recipe you don't say

"Go into the bottom left corner cupboard in your kitchen and look behind the baking tray, because that's where you keep the big mixing bowl because it doesn't fit in the other cupboard where the smaller mixing bowls are...."

you just say

"take a big mixing bowl..."

People will not waste their time explaining things because you haven't put in the time/effort to learn the prerequisites.

No one is going to hold your hand, so put in the effort and do the work.

Learn how to program, learn about networking. There are a ton of great books on all this stuff. so learn it! Just because it doesn't have "hacking" somewhere in the title doesn't mean you don't need to know it.

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Just because it doesn't have "hacking" somewhere in the title doesn't mean you don't need to know it.

To add to that, I am quite cynical about the value of any book containing the word hacking in the title. 90% of the ones I have seen are mostly vendor specific junk, with very little general content and a high price tag. If you learn from other sources to do things like program and disassemble and learn to recognise bugs and bad behaviour in apps, then you will have very little use for them.

Just my £0.02

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I would add, that there's a big mystery surrounding hacking, almost as if its magical. But its not, to learn to hack you need to read as much as you can, yes this is true. But most of all you need a problem, and a burning need to find away round that problem.

Now the first thing you should ask yourself, is how safe is my sys or network, then try and get in, as if you was a person trying to get in, NOT as if you where a hacker.

This is very important, you become a hacker by solving problems, not by playing a role of what you think a hacker is.

All the true hacker find venerabilitys, because by the time you have read something its usually very old, so does not work or the hole as been fixed.

So you need to read and learn about anything thats going to help you to solve that problem, which will include programming, electronics, networks, OS etc.

So reading about hacking is not the best way to learn .

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Are you kids joking with me? Way back when I first got into hacking, I didn't even KNOW about forums, irc, I couldn't watch hacking videos, I didn't know about special sites that were all about hacking. I GOOGLED. And ya know what? I found so many old, old, OLD files on modems, dial-up hacking, packet switched networks and just really out of date stuff. But it didn't matter. The method for learning information, is to google for something. Read up on it, if it has terms you don't understand, google for that term. And thus, the cycle continues. For a good 3 yrs I did nothing except google, google, google. And I had actually learned a good deal. And no one on here or any other forum or site for that matter flames noobs for being noobs. We flame you if you ask questions that could honestly be solved by the simplest of searching. Finding IP addresses, installing software, getting around school restrictions... all those things and many more can be solved by simple google searches. So don't give me that crap on how google gives you limited success. You're just too lazy to take the time to read older files and learn something w/o having someone tell you the answer straight up.

/rant

PhreakerD7,

You have given the perfect example of what I mean. First, since I'm relatively new to the scene, I must be a kid. I'm not as ancient as Stank, but I'm definitely not a kid.. even if I do act like it sometimes. I mention that I have marginal success in my google searches, because I don't know how to search. You tell me I have limited success because I'm lazy. You say that you flame noobs for being noobs, just for asking questions that could be answered elsewhere, with a bit of effort.

Let me clarify, I simply expressed a slight frustration of being new to the scene. I didn't ask a question and look for an easy answer. I understand that it will take some work for me to get anywhere. I also understand that it took you a lot of work to learn what you've learned, but I simply don't feel that it should justify what I see as you lashing out at someone expressing frustrations of being new.

Believe me, while I'll take every advantage I can get in learning, I don't expect you to hold my hand while I get there. I'm not trying to take advantage of you and exploit you for all your knowledge, Phreaker. I will, however, soak up every bit of knowledge that I can gain from the well-read individuals who are willing to share it with those of us who are unlearned. I have found threads where there *are* people willing to help noobs, and I appreciate that.

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Like others said, for the most part you can ditch books with Hacking in the title. Sure there are exceptions like Hacking Exposed and Google hacking for Pen Testers that would be useful to new guys, but for the most part, forget them.

Like they said, and it bears repeating. There is no such thing as having a hard time Googling $_. This is 2007 guys. If it isn't on the Internet, then it isn't where you need to be starting out. Look into an easier subject to cut the ole teeth on. I understand the NHQ rule, I help enforce it, so this isn't directed at anyone here. I know it can be discouraging if you don't understand something at first. You don't learn anything by reading a book though. I know at a young age this is hard to really grasp ... the only way to learn something is to decide you want to learn it, and the _WORK_ on it for _YEARS_.

If that isn't your idea of fun, there are other hobbies. I know reading for 4 hours a day or more, and then practicing what you read for 4 more, after a full day of work/school is not for everyone. It just isn't.

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The whole point of getting started in hacking is googling.

Sure, if someone gave you links to the best texts etc.. you wouldn't need to google.

But learning to google is an extremely important skill that will help you in your whole computing career.

Being able to find stuff is key. I spent a long time googling and getting dead ends, outdated texts, and non-existant sites, before I started getting some knowledge.

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In this day and age, "He who Googles best, is the smartest man in the room."

It sounds weird, but it is true. When given a computer, and one minute to answer a question, who is better at trivia related to US history, Lizabeth Cohen or me?

I've got my money on me.

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Are you kids joking with me? Way back when I first got into hacking, I didn't even KNOW about forums, irc, I couldn't watch hacking videos, I didn't know about special sites that were all about hacking. I GOOGLED. And ya know what? I found so many old, old, OLD files on modems, dial-up hacking, packet switched networks and just really out of date stuff. But it didn't matter. The method for learning information, is to google for something. Read up on it, if it has terms you don't understand, google for that term. And thus, the cycle continues. For a good 3 yrs I did nothing except google, google, google. And I had actually learned a good deal. And no one on here or any other forum or site for that matter flames noobs for being noobs. We flame you if you ask questions that could honestly be solved by the simplest of searching. Finding IP addresses, installing software, getting around school restrictions... all those things and many more can be solved by simple google searches. So don't give me that crap on how google gives you limited success. You're just too lazy to take the time to read older files and learn something w/o having someone tell you the answer straight up.

/rant

yer, he is right, i know that the account i am on is recently made, etc, but thats because i only recently found it.

however when i first got into hacking, i was a bit stupid, you know searching stupid stuff into google, but guys, if you are still in schools, try to get around the security there, dont delete anything, but maybe try these targets:

1)try and be able access all the schools files, but to not get into truble, dont open them

2)try and be able to get to all the blocked websites, but dont just do this 2 look at porno in school, dat would be thick as hell

3)try to........well set yourself some targets!

*disclaimer, these suggestions where purely for educational purposes, i am not suggesting that you do, do them, nor am i advising you to do them.

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Give into your anger, feel it, let it flow threw you, strenghten your will, use your hate to strike them down, let it give you motive to hack them, learn what you can about he who flames you, focus your hate, time and anger on finding out how you can get the back, learn the art of the hack to teach them you are a force to be reconed with. learn to hack there system and use it to wipe them out,

that and i have the weird itch at watching someones computer drop off the computer internet. lol, aww stank dog says i have issues,

Stank why are you so meaaannn.... :ranaway:

anyway check this site out, it helps

http://thepiratebay.org/tor/04201337/boo

bye bye warez!

-rightcoast

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yer, he is right, i know that the account i am on is recently made, etc, but thats because i only recently found it.

however when i first got into hacking, i was a bit stupid, you know searching stupid stuff into google, but guys, if you are still in schools, try to get around the security there, dont delete anything, but maybe try these targets:

1)try and be able access all the schools files, but to not get into truble, dont open them

2)try and be able to get to all the blocked websites, but dont just do this 2 look at porno in school, dat would be thick as hell

3)try to........well set yourself some targets!

*disclaimer, these suggestions where purely for educational purposes, i am not suggesting that you do, do them, nor am i advising you to do them.

this is awful advice, don't hack your school's network.

The reason that most schools have shit network security is because they don't need it. If you are caught hacking their stuff, they will expel you and you will be FUCKED because no other school will take you.

Set up boxes at home to learn with because when you are still a n00b you are going to make mistakes and the place to be making those mistakes is NOT the place that holds they key to your entire future.

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Give into your anger, feel it, let it flow threw you, strenghten your will, use your hate to strike them down, let it give you motive to hack them, learn what you can about he who flames you, focus your hate, time and anger on finding out how you can get the back, learn the art of the hack to teach them you are a force to be reconed with. learn to hack there system and use it to wipe them out,

that and i have the weird itch at watching someones computer drop off the computer internet. lol, aww stank dog says i have issues,

Stank why are you so meaaannn.... :ranaway:

anyway check this site out, it helps

http://thepiratebay.org/tor/04201337/warezfail

Really pushing the no noob flaming rule to the limits I see. Either way, I edited out your warez link.

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