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Shooting at Virginia Polytechnic -- at least 22 dead

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Virginia Tech Shooting Kills at Least 22

By CHRISTINE HAUSER and ANAHAD O’CONNOR

April 16, 2007

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Emergency responders today carrying the injured out of Norris Hall at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, Va.

At least 22 people were killed today, some of them students, and about two dozen more injured during shootings at Virginia Tech, some of them in a classroom, the police said. A gunman was also shot to death, officials said.

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The attack was the deadliest campus shooting in American history.

"Today the university was struck with a tragedy that we consider of monumental proportions," said the university's president, Charles Steger.

There were two shootings on the campus in Blacksburg, Va., and in each case fatalities with "multiple shooting victims," he said.

The shootings started early in the morning and as they unfolded, many of the details emerged from witnesses who recorded images on their cellphones or described fellow students jumping out of campus building windows. The university has more than 25,000 full-time students on a campus that is spread out over 2,600 acres.

Up until today, the deadliest campus shooting in United States history was in 1966 at the University of Texas, where Charles Whitman climbed to the 28th-floor observation deck of a clock tower and opened fire, killing 16 people before he was gunned down by police. In the Columbine High attack in 1999, two teenagers killed 12 fellow students and a teacher before killing themselves.

A police official at Virginia Tech, Wendell Flinchum, said there were "at least 20 fatalities," and that some of the victims were shot in the classroom. News of the number of the fatalities sent up an audible gasp in the news conference, said one television reporter in the broadcast.

At least 22 people were injured. At least 17 Virginia Tech students were being treated for gunshot wounds and other injuries at Montgomery Regional Hospital, and four of them were in surgery, according to a hospital spokesperson. At Lewis-Gale Medical Center, in Salem, Va., four students and a staff member were treated. Two were in stable condition, and the conditions of the other three were described as "undetermined."

Officials said there could have been more people who were injured and taken to other medical facilities.

President Bush was "horrified" at the news of the shooting, and expressed deep concern for the families of the victims, said Dana Perino, a White House spokeswoman. President Bush said he would make federal assets available to the school and to the community.

One student captured partial images, broadcast on CNN, using his cellphone video camera showing grainy dark-clad figures on the street outside of campus buildings. Popping sounds from the gunfire were audible.

"This place is in a state of panic," said a student who was interviewed on CNN, Shaver Deyerle. "Nobody knew what was going on at first."

He said that the shooting reminded him of the Columbine High School killings.

Today's shooting at Virginia Tech comes in the same week, eight years ago, as the April 20 shooting at Columbine.

The police were slowly evacuating students from campus buildings and all classes have been canceled.

Families were told to reunite with students at the Inn at Virginia Tech, a facility of conference space and hotel rooms. The university community was told to assemble on Tuesday at the Cassell Coliseum to start to deal with the tragedy, a campus statement said.

A few details emerged from the news conference. At 7:15 a.m., an emergency 911 call came in to University police department about a shooting at a campus building, West Ambler Johnston, a dormitory for about 900 freshman students. About two hours later it was followed by a second shooting at a classroom in a science and engineering building on the opposite end of campus, Norris Hall. The shooter died there, the police said.

"It didn't stop for almost two or three minutes," a junior from Fairfax named Josh told CNN. "It sounded like a handgun or something but it was many, many shots."

Images on CNN showed police with assault rifles swarming several buildings, sirens blaring in the background and a voice over a loudspeaker warning people across the campus to take cover in buildings and stay away from windows. Many students could be seen crouching on floors in classrooms and dormitories.

Police evacuated students and faculty, many of them to local hotels, and witnesses said that some students were seen scrambling out of windows to get to safety. A Montgomery County school official said that all schools throughout the county were being shut down.

The shooting was the second in the past year that forced officials to lock down the campus. In August of 2006, an escaped jail inmate shot and killed a deputy sheriff and an unarmed security guard at a nearby hospital before the police caught him in the woods near the university.

The capture ended a manhunt that led to the cancellation of the first day of classes at Virginia Tech and shut down most businesses and municipal buildings in Blacksburg. The accused gunman, William Morva, is facing capital murder charges.

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It's 31 now.

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this is fuxxed up. Why cant these whack jobs use there insane shoot-em-up tactics in better scenarios? I mean, why not send these psychos to Iraq. Better yet, to Washington and get rid of GB, you know who... :voteyes:

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this is fuxxed up. Why cant these whack jobs use there insane shoot-em-up tactics in better scenarios? I mean, why not send these psychos to Iraq. Better yet, to Washington and get rid of GB, you know who... :voteyes:

I rather think Iraq has more than enough psychos running around.

Too bad that guy hadn't chosen to take out his aggressions in a less destructive manner. He probably would have been an invaluable addition to any CounterStrike clan...

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The shame is that this is one of the only places in western Virginia with a large mass of completely unarmed people. It's why he was able to burn through 32 people.

Yay for disarmed students!

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They ought to at least have armed security guards at that school...

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The shame is that this is one of the only places in western Virginia with a large mass of completely unarmed people. It's why he was able to burn through 32 people.

Yay for disarmed students!

FTW. that is some funny shit. lol

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Sounds like it is up to 33 now.

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32. The bastard gunman doesn't need to be counted in that.

It's fortunate that enough of the students thought to barricade themselves in rooms to have saved more lives...

It's especially disturbing, that I'd have been in one of those rooms that got shot up during that class change last semester. You never think shit like this will happen to you.

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Something is VERY wierd about this. The blackout together with conflicting reports (at first it was reported people had been shot with shotgun, etc) suggests that there is a second shooter. It is known that this guy tested the police response times in the previous weeks via bomb threats, so they are dealing with an above average assailant here, hence the blackout. They don't want to give him any info that can assist him.

Anyway, you know what would be a great prank (especially for you seniors!)? Go to school tomorrow and chain the doors from the inside!!! Then start playing flava flav "911 is a joke" on the PA. Make sure you jam the cellphones with some leet equipment. Then once everybody notices and starts panicking, light off some fireworks !!!11!1 :lol: :lol: :lol:

disclaimer: Linux not t be held personally responsible if you are actually retarded enough to pull said prank.

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im all the way down here in south america, but they are meant to be doing what i do, they were my age, they should be worrying about exams, getting drunk, getting tested for an std or just listening to music while wondering where the fuck they aer going.

ftw its not funny, there can be sarcasm, even flame my bitchy sentimentalism or whatever. that shit is not meatn to happen, violent societies that horrorize themselves at those uncalled outbursts of violence only when they happen, and let them happen over and over again.

send them to irak, sure, call it a black sheep, blame it on them. they are just the tip of the iceberg, everyone around them is the iceberg.

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dont really have nothing to say as a tech nerd atm :/

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I know this is a bit sick.... but someone outta hand it to the guy(s) at least this time he/they were pretty good shots...

& I hate it how the news never mentions Bath Michigan when talking about school bang-boom histories.. maybe it's because they can't blame video games....

I was talking to an ex-soldier yesterday... the subject came up on that California bank robbery where the guys had body armor on... We were talking about... the body armor and how the cops couldn't stop them. but I can see their heads.. shoot their heads! He said that what he did in war cause he didn't want to bother bringing back prisoners. I'd haft to agree with him on that... (takes two soldiers to escort a prisoner back... you need everyone on your team with you... break up the team and you have a better chance of getting killed yourself)

What kind of people are they hiring to be cops??? It seems none of them know how to fire a gun... I got a cheap chinese SKS and I can make that thing hit whatever I want out to 150 yards... So it's not a factor of 'better' guns... we need better cops.

//well... what do you expect from a cop... if he has poor penmanship.. you you really think he can shoot a gun straight? (read your next traffic ticket and you'll know what I mean)

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About that ftw part. I really wasn't being funny at all.

Here is a story about what happens when people arm themselves in accordance with the law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachian_S...of_Law_shooting

When people talk about a liberal press, the fact is many outlets are in fact liberal. The people doing the reporting are liberal in nature, and no person completely unties the bias. the fact it isn't as overt as a Fox News show doesn't mean it isn't there. Most reports of that incident make no mention of there being not one, but two armed students on the scene. They say the suspect was "subdeud" or "tackled"

"Students apparently tackled the gunman" from http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/01/16/law.school.shooting/

I bet 50 bucks to anyone who reads this that you can not capture a single sound bite on any MSM outlet mentioning the ASL shooting today (no points for columbine or or the tower, sorry). Much less one that mentions he was taken down by a group of armed citizens. Nor will you hear many mentions that a Korean did the VT shooting and a Nigierian did the ASL shooting. At least, it will be hard to catch it if they do say it ... you know, between sound bites about "American gun culture", and "controlling and keeping kids safe". In fact, I'll bet as well read as most of the people here are, you never even HEARD OF THE FUCKING ASL shootings. Not that it was easy to find mind you. ;)

I'll keep myself safe. Thanks.

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I bet 50 bucks to anyone who reads this that you can not capture a single sound bite on any MSM outlet mentioning the ASL shooting today (no points for columbine or or the tower, sorry). Much less one that mentions he was taken down by a group of armed citizens. Nor will you hear many mentions that a Korean did the VT shooting and a Nigierian did the ASL shooting. At least, it will be hard to catch it if they do say it ... you know, between sound bites about "American gun culture", and "controlling and keeping kids safe". In fact, I'll bet as well read as most of the people here are, you never even HEARD OF THE FUCKING ASL shootings. Not that it was easy to find mind you. ;)

I'll keep myself safe. Thanks.

No, because only three deaths were involved. Yeah, it seems like alot of people contend that the problem is that there aren't enough guns. If you have more law-abiding citizens with guns, then you have less gun deaths. Meanwhile, I'm of the belief that the less guns you have overall, the less gun deaths there'll be. Guns don't kill people, people do. And when less of those monsters can get a gun to inflict mucho damage, the better off all their potential victims are as well.

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Problem there Seal is that you can't put the Genie back in the bottle. Outlawing guns in someplaces keep them out of law abiding citizens hands, but it's much harder to keep them out of the hands of someone willing to break the law.

<sick sense of humor>

33 body count, asian students are overachievers.

</sick sense of humor>

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Problem there Seal is that you can't put the Genie back in the bottle. Outlawing guns in someplaces keep them out of law abiding citizens hands, but it's much harder to keep them out of the hands of someone willing to break the law.

<sick sense of humor>

33 body count, asian students are overachievers.

</sick sense of humor>

I actually don't advocate the ban of guns. There are places in which it's necessary, and livelihoods dependent upon this weapon for both sport and for financial reasons. I do think though that the problem has to do with lax controls surrounding guns. Such mechanisms don't take guns out of the hands of those that have the proper licenses, etc. What they do is curtail the seemingly unimpeded flow of guns into the hands of those that shouldn't have them. And it isn't a matter of making it harder for the end-point consumer of getting guns - it's the whole dynamic. What's in between the manufacturing, to the receiving of them in the hands of gangs in Toronto. This attitude that a gun, which in the case of self-defense, reacts after someone else pulled a gun or whatever - is the solution to getting the gun out of the bad guy's hands. I think the solution ought to be purely to work to get the guns out of that bad guy's hands to begin with.

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33 body count

I think it means the police are getting slower and slower response times.

I always did wonder why there were so low body counts in these school shootings. I mean, one class has more people than that.

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This guy was a particularly good shot though. Apparently he'd had some sort of training. A friend of mine works for the local rescue squad, and said everyone coming in had multiple gun wounds, not just one or two as if he were shooting blindly into the room.

What I find interesting is that quite a few people didn't immediately identify the noise as gunshots. I guess quite a few people have /never/ been exposed to anything other than pellet and paintball guns.

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Yes. The body count alone shows the guy had at least practiced recently. You can't pick up a gun and hit 30 moving targets because you are crazy and want to. You just can't. People that think it would be easy to hit even one moving target simply haven't tried. Systems_glitch is right about the shooter, or at least I hear the same thing. I hear through the LEO grapevine the bodies show he shot in "groups" (shooting term for placing 2 or 3 rounds in a small area) at the moving targets and had center of mass and headshots throughout. I also hear in this case the shooter had 50 rounds on him. He stopped simply because he was down to a single round.

There is no restriction possible that allows citizens to arm themselves easily and keep the guns out of the hands of criminals. I would argue the restrictions have gone to far already in many states.

In my case I am in FL. I don't even need to see a weapon. Outnumbering me or being a bit larger than me and refusing to give the right answer to leave me alone is enough to earn you a death by lead poisoning around here. Of course the peace of mind of being armed lets me do many things many people would not do. Like say, "sorry for $_, I am huge idiot.". I take an overburden of blame and go overboard on the politeness. It is my duty as an armed individual. Just like it would be my duty to take the guy in VT out, like those guys in ASL did.

Seal, I see what you meant about there only being three deaths in the ASL shootings. That wasn't exactly what I was getting at though. I meant perhaps the only case of a school shooting I know of ending very, very, quickly was the one single case the school did not have a ban in place on firearms for licensed CCW holders. Of course allowing everyone to be armed is a bad thing. Allowing the students who accept the burden of legal concealed carry though? How can that be a bad thing? The guy holding the permit is less capable in school as opposed to a roadside diner or movie theater?

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I think the solution ought to be purely to work to get the guns out of that bad guy's hands to begin with.
As with cigarettes and alcohol, if somebody is allowed to have a gun and somebody isn't the system is fundamentally flawed from the get go.

Look at machine guns and RPGs, not exactly an abundance of them kicking around the average Toronto street gang; any that are (the Hells Angels were caught with a couple of each), are stolen off military bases or smuggled in from overseas. The public isn't (with few exceptions) allowed to have RPGs or machine guns - low availability helps to keep them out of joe gangstas reach.

A five minute modification to enable full auto, oversized clips, fingerprint resistant grips, file off the serials and a Wallmart special is a suddenly a bangers favourite toy. Just like the 'war on drugs', prohibition doesn't work when the market is flooded; over-sized clips aren't legal but it's not exactly keeping them out of peoples hands. If I, a rather law abiding individual with few ties to organized crime, can obtain full auto handguns in the finish of my choice with serials filed off, extended clips etc without even possessing a restricted weapons permit (not that I would - I have no use for a gun); then really, how hard is it for someone who actually 'goes looking'? This is in Canada mind you with our stricter gun control, which they have really cut back on as of late - I can only imagine if they try to take action in the 'States where handguns are far more common place.

The Canadian gun registry was potentially a step in the right direction, but as most of us well know it continues to be one of the worst Canadian boondoggles; billions wasted with no visible effect on violent crimes - though angry farmers, pissed-off hunters and government level corruption charges abound. I'm still not sure why it's illegal to carry a non-lethal Taser in Canada (they won't issue public carrying licenses nor will they allow them for use outside of law and military personal, possession is a crime) but anybody with a few dollars and a bit of time can get a gun license (a CCW is a big pain and a different story). I'd rather people were issued Tasers for self-defense.. ('but what if your attacker is heavily armoured' - 'well then I guess you are fucked then aren't you, suck it up') :roll:;)

If somebody is intent on doing something suicidal and deadly (be it crystal meth or shooting up a school), no reasonable amount of metal detectors, security cameras or regulations are going to deter them; especially when the end result is their death.. if they are dying at their own hands what can you threaten them with that they aren't willing to accept, life?

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Well said jabzor. You know what could help? I'll stop harping, since I sound like the evangelical type and I am not. Frankly as long as I can protect myself I don't care who chooses to carry. I really don't.

I just saw this on a gun forum I frequent though. Someone dug up an essay by a student who was prevented from carrying on VT campus during the last scare. We can only wonder if the rule was different and there was a CCW holder in that room what might have happened. It isn't a sure bet that it ends better. The Korean was a good shot.

http://www.roanoke.com/editorials/commentary/wb/80510

I also saw that a resolution to allow students to carry if they were a CCW holder poetically enough died in committee early yesterday morning on the VA state legislature floor. I'll find a link and put it here.

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Did you know that there has only been one reported murder with a registered machine gun?? and the guy that did the killing was a cop?? -History Channel.

About hitting moving targets... That's easy... when I take my SKS out I do the 'shell dance' Find a shot-gun shell laying out there and hit the thing and every time it lands on the ground shoot it again. shoot it until you can't see it anymore... 30 rounds in about 35-45 seconds (depending on how high that thing jumps... The trick is... don't tense up your arms... just move the muscles that need to move the aim.... real easy... This is with open sites too. (btw... keep both eyes open you aim quicker that way)

But what is awesome is my friend with his ruger .22. pistol.. that guy is an awesome shot... makes me looks like a kid with a broken BB gun...

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Did you know that there has only been one reported murder with a registered machine gun?? and the guy that did the killing was a cop??
I'm thinking that stat refers to a machine gun used in a homicide by the person it was registered to, as opposed to registered machine guns used in a homicide in general (look at the number missing off army bases or from private collections that occasionally show up in police raids). Perhaps that was the only conviction they could find?

You have to figure that some somewhere along the line more than one M2 or the likes that was rightfully, lawfully registered to somebody was used unlawfully to mow at least one person down.

I would be more worried about submachine guns; less unweildy and easier to obtain and provide ammunition for - if somebody is using a full on machine gun on you, you *KNOW* you did something wrong.

Chris Rock 'They put $50,000 worth of bullets in his ass..' :P

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Rest In Peace...

This type of thing makes me depressed....I don't even wanna say anything....

**edit: Wait....wtf! Alot of the news-stories say that the this korean dude first shot 2 people ..and *2 HOURS* later shot the rest...now my question is.....(provided that this is accurate) WTF was the police/security guards doing during this *2 HOUR* period? eh? Someone explain this to me..

Cho died with the words "Ismail Ax" in red ink on one of his arms, but they were not sure what that meant.

Cryptography challenge anyone?

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