King Tiger

I need privacy!

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I bet you are completely free to do whatever you want with that PC. Since my story works better this way :), lets say for sake of arguement you're on a laptop. You are 100% free to go to a store probably within 20 miles of you and buy a Sprint aircard and be doing whatever you want on the internet you please in under an hour.

Thats a good idea, or maybe a DSL or cable modem? Depending on how they are setup that might work.

You can do whatever you want on your computer, but you cant do whatever you want on their equipment, with their services. Thats why you have a ToS, to define what you can and can not do with their stuff.

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If you read the ToS, I can only use thier network for internet access (no cell devices), and they claim they can search my computer anytime. They also require me to have updated software and use an antivirus. (this is a good one, but still...) This is all on MY computer. They also strongly encourage everyone to use Windoze XP pro. Home or Media center is not allowed on the network. Macs and *nix are not supported. What do you call that?

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Their pc on their network, their rules. <- any box in a lab or around the campus

Your pc on your network, your rules. <- your laptop connected to a non-campus network

Your pc on their network, their rules. <- including the 'you can't use your laptop on our network so fuck off' rule

You can drive as fast as you want on your own land, without even the need for a license or a seatbelt, you legally cannot on a public road.

Unless you signed or (verbally agreed to) anything prohibiting you from accessing third-party network providers or letting them search your machine you are fine as far as that is concerned. They can of course expel you and/or revoke all network access for little reason, they are a business, this is how businesses operate.. going to postsecondary requires you to become one of the sheeple - accept it or affect change.

You still don't get it and seemingly never will. :roll:

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There is no ethical problem with me monitoring my property, that's what it comes down to. One could even argue that lack of monitoring is unethical, since then a third party could use your property for unethical purposes (say, distributing child porn).
It's simple really, on their property they are legally (and ethically) justified in monitoring usage.

While I agree with the legal part, I say that the ethics are different for different people, so saying that someone is "ethically justified" is nonsense.

1. Every person can have different ethics. Therefore, there is no such thing as "ethically justified".

2. Usage of backwards logic is really damaging. Saying that not monitoring is unethical, because someone may be a pedo with large CP collection is making all those people who care about their freedoms and privacy potential pedophiles that must be monitored "just in case". Maybe this is your ethics and your way of thinking, but I disagree with it. Also note, that the school forces him to use the email by sending important info on his school email address.

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Their pc on their network, their rules. <- any box in a lab or around the campus

Your pc on your network, your rules. <- your laptop connected to a non-campus network

Your pc on their network, their rules. <- including the 'you can't use your laptop on our network so fuck off' rule

You can drive as fast as you want on your own land, without even the need for a license or a seatbelt, you legally cannot on a public road.

Unless you signed or (verbally agreed to) anything prohibiting you from accessing third-party network providers or letting them search your machine you are fine as far as that is concerned. They can of course expel you and/or revoke all network access for little reason, they are a business, this is how businesses operate.. going to postsecondary requires you to become one of the sheeple - accept it or affect change.

You still don't get it and seemingly never will. :roll:

he is basically saying if it is their house they dont have to let you use the restroom even if you have to go bad, but if it was ur house then u could pee wherever u wanted to . Sorry for the weird analogy but im tired and it seems to be the only way to make it easy to understand

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You're using their service, their assets, their network, they are free to do whatever they want with your data even if that means reading it. You can't do anything about it, it's due diligence on their behalf.

At most colleges there is an additional charge for internet usage essentially making them an ISP. Does your ISP have the right to read your email?

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If you want to get really paranoid, while using hushmail (which is nice) use an on screen keyboard.

:lol::lol::lol:

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:lol::lol::lol:

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The college I attend supplies me with a username@domain.edu address for email. However I found out recently that they randomly read studenst emails. I really don't like that idea and don't remember allowing them that power. Is there something I can use to encrypt my email? There are certificates, what exactally do there do? Any ideas on how they read my emails? Any ideas on how to screw with them?

-King "privacy freak" Tiger

Simple solution, don't use your school's email service.

Slightly less simple solution, encrypt your email. Theres a number of thunderbird plugins to make this easy. The only problem, is that the people you are sending email may not be able to or want to (bother with) decrypting your emails.

If they monitor across the network, use ssh tunneling to a proxy, then your web based email (yahoo, gmail or the likes). I should warn you though, google and yahoo probably don't respect your privacy either. Perhaps you could set up a email server on an off campus computer, and ssh to the box to send email :)

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When people talk about ethics, they are almost always talking specifically about normaltive ethics, in which case my statement holds. People can be free to their privacy by not using my property, is what it comes down to. That's a perfectly valid choice, and one they are free to make at any point.

I think the statement that me being able to do what I want with my property (including monitor it) is both legally and ethically justified, I stand 100% by that statement. Perhaps in societies which don't believe in personal liberty, this might not be the sake, but in the likely social norms everyone here is used to, my property is mine to do as I wish with, as long as I don't infringe on someone elses rights.

There are cases where monitoring your property is not only something that you can do (ethically speaking) but something you should do, although I don't personally believe the OP's situation falls into one of those cases.

Property doesn't exist... I've voided his argument. :)

There is no ethical problem with me monitoring my property, that's what it comes down to. One could even argue that lack of monitoring is unethical, since then a third party could use your property for unethical purposes (say, distributing child porn).
It's simple really, on their property they are legally (and ethically) justified in monitoring usage.

While I agree with the legal part, I say that the ethics are different for different people, so saying that someone is "ethically justified" is nonsense.

1. Every person can have different ethics. Therefore, there is no such thing as "ethically justified".

2. Usage of backwards logic is really damaging. Saying that not monitoring is unethical, because someone may be a pedo with large CP collection is making all those people who care about their freedoms and privacy potential pedophiles that must be monitored "just in case". Maybe this is your ethics and your way of thinking, but I disagree with it. Also note, that the school forces him to use the email by sending important info on his school email address.

It's called "ethical reletivism", vs. an absolutist approach which breeds narrow mindedness and oppression.

Seriously, if they expect you to use their email service/internet connection, they better not monitor is against your will. Encrypt your email and stick it to those totalitarian bastards!

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Well guess what?

I got kicked out because someone at the school read this thread! I think that my paranoia about privacy has been completly justified. Now anything I write here will be used aganist me, even though my real name is not on this thread, and the school's name isn't either. So, it turns out that you really don't have any rights at school. Am I the only one that sees a problem with that?

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Holy shit, what do you mean by "kicked out"? And what was their reasoning exactly?

God I just love arrogant power-abusing tyrants like your school administration. One time I got in trouble at school for using curse words on my personal web site's message boards. The principal printed all the pages off of my site and threatened to show my parents. You're right, you're paranoia about privacy is completely justified. You thing schools give a damn about rights, freedoms, or privacy? Hell no.

My suggestion: Find a near-by cyber cafe to email from.

Edit: And how exactly did someone find this thread?

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You need to talk to a lawyer. You are not in any kind of binding contract with them. Another thing, is this a private or a public school? What country? If it's a public school, you have more power than you believe. If it's a private school, well...it might just be best to move on. But still talk to a lawyer.

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I didn't read all the posts in this thread but, you may want to look into a multiplatform tunneling/vpn solution called hamachi, with this program you can connect to the remote computer as if it were sitting next to you on the same network, it also has chat funcionality built in you could send "emails" in the form of txt files dragged and dropped into a remote share. just an idea

oh forgot to mention, it's free :)

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