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well as a newb i decided that it would be fun to go for a dive at my local cable & internet provider to see what i could find. well what i did find was quite interesting. now i thought i would find more techy stuff like broken digital cable boxes or at least analog boxes or if i was really lucky a cable modem. but no!!! i found food garbage and shit ( no real shit but you get the point.) the only real thing that i keep as a reminder of my first dive was an analog remote. well i will continue with my diving and hopefully i can get some manuals or something kewl that is better than a remote!

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well obviously they are going to have some normal trash, I mean even evil cable company employees have to eat. ;) But finding good stuff is hit and miss from what I see/hear. Usually they throw out large groups of the good stuff together.

I thin kcable companies would be a good palce to find exactly what you described!

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well ya they will have regular garbage i wasn't complaining i was telling everyone of my first dive. but i will continue with this dumpster and i will find more and hopefully find something of interest. btw the peeps at that cable company are a bunch of drunks there was more beer in that dumpster than anything else. :D

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just as a tip, if there is ALOT of consumer garbage, and were talking stuff that really doesnt belong in a telco switching office or cable office, then its safe to say its neighbor garbage. But, if it really isnt a residential hood, then they are wild drunks :)

At the CO by me, its 90% consumer crap. never any cool shit.

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are they in a stand alone building? maybe they are sharing the dumpster with a neighbor (restaraunt, bar, general mall trash). Usually they are stand alone, so you may be right about them being drunks!

Or, w1nt3rmut3 got their first and disposed of his party supplies. :P

:lol::lol::lol:

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:D:D hehe funny no its not stand alone its a payment center, but when i last talked to some one at the corp office they said that they had equipment there and since i live a mile away from the place i decided what the hell and gave it a go. but there are no resturants in the strip mall... but who knows, but if they are drunks then that could be a plus since people who get drunk alot do get stupid ( no offense to any people here who drink alot) and through good shit away. :rock: that would be kewl!!

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I went for Recycle bins, there you only get good stuff, the worst I found was a dirty/used nose tissue.

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talk about finding kewl shit in normal shit. when I was thorwing the trash away (I live in an apartment complex, so there are more than 1 dumpsters) I found a complete pentium system ( 233 Mhz 64 Mb 8Gb HDD), too bad it had a 220 volt power supply, some1 must've brought it from like Europe or somwhere, i tried using an old power supply I had, but i shorted the thing out ( smoke and everything, nasty burnt circuit smell). So I had to throw it out, I still have the processor, ram and modem...

Another find was a brand new, check this out, brand new ATX case, I looked up the model and make no. and it was a 50 buck case, sweet shit, I still have that. Only in America... :usa:

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nasty burnt circuit smell

:wub: I LOVE that burnt circuit smell... :wub:

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Burnt circuit smell, that's what I just smelled, after frying an old tnt2 on an antique motherboard, I don't know what the hell happened. I hope that's the only thing I burned... :(

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well went for another dive yesterday at my local blockbuster. i was returning my overdue movies when i had a thought..... the fall issue of 2600! i remembered the article about social enginering your way out of late fees and decieded to take the dive. at first i found a bag full of movie boxes and thought i hit the jackpot......but nope empty. kept on moving around and found some xbox boxes. again i had that thought come back..... again.....empty. then i decieded that maybe i should look for some info or just anything and then i grabbed nicely stappled packet of paper. stuffed it in my jacket and left. i then looked at it later to find i have a list of all of the blockbusters in MN and WI. Store #'s, Phone, Fax, Vmail with pass, names of managers, when the store was opened, district managers names etc. so if anyone whats the info i will be posting that later today(i'm at work right now, and i don't think they would like that to much).

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Hell yeah I want it! Type it up and we'll put it in the Retail Hacking section at oldskoolphreak.

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Hmm what are the laws like in reguards to garbage? I've heard that once you put your garbage out someone can go through it and that's perfectly legal. Does the same go for dumpster diving some mom and pop computer shop?

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I am almost positive that it is illegal. The reason is because it is on private property, and therefore, tresspassing.

Even FBI agents are not supposed to be allowed in your garbage (yeah, that stops them like it stops us...) until it actually leaves your property and hits the garbage truck. Then it become property of the city, county, whatever...

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Stankdawg: yeah but if what you say is true, then going thru somebodys garbage is completely ok, the only crime being committed would be trespassing, not going thru trash, and what if I took the trash out on the curb and just left it there, that's in front of my house on the sidewalk, thats public property....

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It wouldn't hurt to call your local 5-o and find out. but then they might just "tell" you its illegal. Or you could ( if you have tons of spare time) look it up in a legal book, but thats probably a waste of time.

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well, the fact that it leaves your yard and is on city property doesn't really tell the story. The wind could blow it onto city property as well, that doesn't make it any less your property.

The point occurs when you willingly allow someone else (legally called an "agent") take possession of your property. In this case, it is the garbageperson picking up your trash on the corner where you WILLINGLY placed it for pickup. Until the transaction takes places to that agent, it is still your property.

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like you said you are willingly giveing your property away. whos to say who needs to come and pick it up. it is garbage and no one really wants garbage. and if their is personal info in there and you didn't shread it or dispose of it in a proper manner then its your fault if someone gets it. the point is, that it is something that you don't want any more and you are giving it away. i know i have given things away that i consitered garbage.

one mans garbage is another mans treasure.

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Twirlz congrats on your first dumpster dive. It will turn into an addiction once you find some cool stuff trust me.

Anyway most of the regular members on the board i'm sure already know this.. but for all the people who still dont know or haven't tried it.. it's a little technique I like to call online dumpster diving. (It's a lot cleaner)

Ok so the search engine google has spiders that crawl around the web cacheing files on their network. Now alot of times their programs cache some stuff they are not supposed to have. For example pdf files (ebook... read with Acrobat) are cached as well as html files and in some companies pdf files that were on their webserver are now linked in google.

Now in order to do your online diving you need to put into little phrases like "verizon pdf proprietary".... and you can substitute verizon for any big company that you want. The results I can say are very satisfying.

If you want to take it a little further you can substitute proprietary with confidental. Be wary though... dont take it too far. Happy online diving!! B)

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I had the double pleasure today of having my first dumpster diving attempt while out on my first ghetto/wardriving expedition. Well, dumspter "diving" is probably inaccurate. It was more like lookign inside open dumpsters to see what was in them. For a long while, I've wanted to inspect the dumpster of the computer dealer where I worked a few years ago. They often threw out lots of great stuff...I have a clost full of computers, parts and cables to prove it. I'm not too keen on jumping into a dumpster at night in the middle of winter, and since I'm self-employed and trying to build my business, I really can't take the chance of getting busted. So, I figured a daylight raid under the guise of looking for boxes would be less risky. Someone please tell me if that excuse doesn't work anymore. :(

I knew the computer store (my target) was closed on Sunday but they are located in a mini-strip mall with two other stores (a hardware store and a hair salon). I really didn't want to take the chance of being seen, since the dumpster is in back where the employees of all three stores take their smoke breaks. I called the other two stores to see what time they closed....no answer at either place. I drove by the building slowly to do a quick recon and confirmed the other two stores were closed. Yup! I was in luck. I drove in back, and checked the dumpster. It was pretty full, mainly of bags full of packing peanuts. There were some peices of an apparently dead monitor some ATA ribbon cables and a bunch of various power tool parts and some "regular" garbage. Not too much of value to me.

In short, even though I didn't come away anythign other than some hard drive cables, I learned some valuable info for my next trip: I know the other two stroes are closed on Sunday when the computer store is also closed, and I know that the dumpster is not emptied on the weekends. Having a little bit of inside info also helps too, as I know what kind of stuff is put into the dumpster so I know it's a good source for the kinds of things I'm lookign for. Targeting a place where you used to work might carry a certain amount of risk (in my case this computer store is a bit of a competitor), but the payoff potential and use of the inside info you posess can make it too tempting to pass up.

Maybe on my next trip back I'll decide to get a little dirtier and climb into the damn thing.

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I used to go diving at local telephone company buildings. Those guys throw away some weird shit sometimes. Like aligator clips that are still useful. One time I found a linemans headset that still worked, a hard hat.. Sometimes I find credit card info. And sometimes I find doughnuts. But don't eat the doughnuts. You don't know how long they've been there.

I haven't gone diving in a while though. Maybe I'll swan dive into a dumpster sometime again soon.

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I will tell you that the best places to go dumpster diving is places that sell cell phones. Don't go to just any outlet, goto one that has been around for a while and sells for more then one provider.

Yes dumpster diving is illegal and can get you in a "heep" of trouble. Heep haha. Ok bad joke.

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...he shoots....HE SCORES!!!!

Made my third DD outing today. LOTSA COOL LOOT!!!!!

Stop 1: The computer dealer I used to work a few years ago....they are closed on Sunday so I've bene hittin 'em regularly. My first few stops yieled nothing. Today, the dumptser was chock full. It was raining and everything was wet and nasty so I didn;t want to jump in.

****side note: I have a real phobia about blindly jumping into anything with garbage after what happened to a friend of mine last year...he went to push some garbage into a dumpster outside where he works and got stuck with a bloody hypo needle sticking out of a bag with a bunch of used condoms. He was on the HIV cocktail for 6 months....he's OK, but he and his wife went through pure hell with it all, and the memory lingers*****

Poked around the big clear bags filled with mainly packing peanuts, but scored some stuff that might not mean much to other people, but for me running my biz they are worth a fortune.....kind of a little industrial espiaonge you might say. Said computer dealer is an indirect competitor, so the stuff I found is PRECIOUS. But I really went looking for 'puter stuff....just happened to find paper stuff thats even better. All stuff was inside the garbage bags, protected from the rain:

- A book in mint condition called "The Municipal Computer Systems Handbook: A Practical Guide to Computer Planning, Procurement, Negotiations, Contracts, and Implementation for Governments, School Districts, Utilities and Not-for-Profits". It's a book that's geared towards these groups in their search for upgrading their systems and networks. This book is a road map for me to deal with these groups and people....speak their lingo and learn how to talk to them.

- A backordered item list with the names and phone numbers of the clietns: A bunch of contacts for me to add to my mailing lists = potential business. Some of the names are companies I've wanted to contact, but wanted a name of someone on the inside first...now I have some.

- A price list of what they charge for some of the same services I provide.

- Some serivce repair orders, showing what they charge along with the legal mumbo-jumbo to cover their ass in the event they nuke a clients hard drive. Very important to me cuz I need something with the same type of legal mumbo-jumbo and had no clue where to start. More names and phone munbers on the SROs too.

Cool stuff for my purposes...but everything smells like stale donuts

* BUT WAIT......THAT'S NOT ALL!

Stop 2: I felt like I needed another fix before I went home. The HQ for the state teachers union is a block from the compu-dealer on my way home......so........I stopped.

One covered dumpster...opened the top. Not 1, Not 2, but 3....THU-REE fucking PC's sitting ontop of all the garbage. :o

Mine! Didn't look to see what they were, just tossed them in the car and drove off. That was it. I didn't think I was going to top that. Stopped at the used PC store on the way home, cuz I have no PC mice or keyboards. I've been thinking about getting a Wintel box solely to have as a 100% open source machine, but would rather spend the money on a new PowerBook. But if I could get one of these things running......SHA-WING!!!! :pengy:

They are all pretty old: a Compaq Presario 4712 and two IBM PC300PL's (also called the 6562 as far as I can tell). The Compaq is DOA. The power supply seems to work, but otherwise, no joy. Maybe the logic board is fried. Both IBMs work, but one has no RAM. Put the RAM from the other one in, and it boots up, goes through it's startup dance and gets this message:

"PXE-M04: Initializing network boot device using interrupt 18h"

Then it gets a Win98 spalsh screen and that's as far as it gets.....the hard drive just grinds and grinds and grinds. It seems like it's looking for some netboot directory that it won't ever find anymore and I don;t know how to disable it. Couldn't find anything useful about "PXE-M04" on a Google search. Anbody have any ideas?

The second IBM boots right up and starts WinNT 4.0. A Novell Client log-in box pops up with the username "admin" and it asks for the password. You have the option of connecting to the Novell server, but I checked the "Workstation Only" box since there is no Novell server to connect to.

First I tried the intials of the teachers union whose dumpster I raided. No joy. Then I tired "1234". Still no joy. Then I tired "novell". BINGO! Gee. That was tough. Got right to the desktop. Poked around the folders, but there don;t seem to be any documents or other interetsing info. Just a few apps: the M$ Standards: IE, Orifice, and Outlook Express. There is a Novell Workgroup app that tries to connect to the server, but the IP address its looking for must be one from an internal network. But, the machine seems to be running fine. Floppy, CD and Ethernet work, but haven't tried the USB yet. It's in real good shape, but I think I want to paint the damn thing some sorta German splinter camo.

So now that I have this thing running, I have to find a Linux distro to put on it. I have Red Hat 8.0 but I don't think it will run on this thing...not without more RAM and a larger hard drive anyway. It only has 32MB of RAM and a 2.5GB drive. This would be a perfect time to try Knoppix. :ATTN:

I really don't want to spend more money than the 7 bucks for the keyboard and mouse, but will have to drop the Reichsmarks for the RAM if I want to use this thing for much. Will try and find some cheap RAM at the 'puter graveyard store 2morrow. I'm gonna bring the Compaq in and see if they want it for parts...maybe they'll trade it for some cheap old RAM. I'll keep the other IBM for now....would love to see what's on it's drive.

all in all, it was a good day.....

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Now that, that my friends was a damn good DD run, three puters, man that is kick ass.

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It's down to one computer today. I was up till like 4AM dickin' around trying to get the one IBM to boot. Finally got it going by swapping the hard drive out from the other IBM, but I still only had the 32MB between the two. The hard drive from the one that wouldn't boot is shot. The Compaq was totally DOA. I wanted to at least yank the drive out of the Compaq, but it had some realy phunky proprietary drive that wouldn't fit in anything else I have. A little research showed these Presarios had part of the BIOS on the hard drive. Wierd.

So, I gave the two parts cows to the used computer store for $35 worth of store credit. I have the last IBM up and running but am having a real hard time finding xtra RAM for it. SO, I have a free computer and $35 of "free" computer stuff when I need something.

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