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well as the topic states my hard drive decided to take a massive crap!!! its has decided that it doesn't want to be seen anymore. i've poked it, tryed to talk to it and over all beat the living shit from this SOB!!! :) no not really. but here's what happen... i had setup this box to encode a SVCD to VCD and then on my main box i was going to do whatever... well in the middle of my game of Red Faction my computer dumps and reboots. no problem... so after my box starts again i decided that i was going to use my cd-rw's to move data from my in-laws to my place ( they still have broadband :)) so im going to dump everything from the rw's in my other box... so i try to open the network drive and it hangs then sez i don't have permissions to look at it!! well sorry but i set permissions and you stupid hard drive will listen to me *smack*... so then i try to vnc over to the box... no vnc server there... hmmmm so since i don't have 2 monitors for both my boxes i have to unplug and plug in to my other box.... well its sitting at the boot screen just sitting.... so ok i'll reboot. reboot gets almost done and BSOD which is not very common on XP. so i reboot again. while rebooting i get the safe boot option and i choose last good config.... well that hangs for a bit and comes back with something to the effect of my hard drive is not there!!! so now i'm sure that the drive has crashed but i want to make sure its not the hard drive and maybe the box. so i take the drive out put it in a different box and its not there... goto admn tools and then to disk management. only my 2 drive origianlly in this box... hmmm. so now i know its totally gone but to make sure i put it back in its box. and fire up knoppix on its ass... loads up and everything works good.... because its running from cd!!! :grr: now other times i've ran knoppix i could see my hard drives, this time i couldn't. so now i've tried fdisk to delete the partion, that didn't work because my hard drive isn't being found. i've check the BIOS and there is no opiton to look at what is there but there is a detect drives and exit... done that and that didn't work. i've done an emergency virus scan and that came up with nothing. i've also checked google up and down for this and i can only find data recovery. so my question on after my novel of shit that happen last night and this morn is.... do i need a new drive or is there something i haven't tried to get this box up and running again?

thanks in advaced

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well, I had the same thing happen to my laptop recently (which i have bitched about extensively on B-double-R) and I also tried everything to salvage my data. I did the same things that you did including knoppix and Windows PE. You didnt mention PE, but it might be worth a shot, look on P2P.

Anyway, long story short, my HD was gone. RIP. I even tried some law enforcement forensic software (don't ask) and it would not work either. I had an engineering friend who offered to tak ethe drive apart and realign/repair the internal workings of the HD itself, but I am under warranty and as much as I wanted my data back, I didn't want to pay for a new HD if we fukked it up too bad. I took it in, and they replaced the HD. I asked about recovering the data and they didnt have a clue. They offered to sell me the old HD back at full price! :blink: so that I could keep trying to recover the data.

No thanks...the most important thing I lost was a couple of articles, that I can rewrite. It will just take some time. :( You might think abou thaving someone or yourself, taking the HD apart as a last resort and tinkering with it. I wouldnt bother unless you know an EE that knows what he is doing.

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This happened to my friend, while I was at his PC (that means he blamed meh). He sent it back to Sony and the gave him a new HD and a new mobo(?). I don't think he got his data back though.

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i've given up on the data... i just want the hdd to work!

if i don't use a boot disk it sez that the hard drive is unreachable and then it sez that no OS can be found on anyother drive. and its not under warrenty anymore either!

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are you hearing any sounds, or anything that points to a hardware failure?! and also, did you check the cable?

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well i cant help with your data but as far as the drive try a

(low level format)

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are you hearing any sounds, or anything that points to a hardware failure?! and also, did you check the cable?

I was going to ask the same exact thing. You might try swapping out the drive cable, or trying the drive in another machine, unless you tried that already and I missed it in yer posting. You could also try the drive in an external FireWire enclosure and seeing if you can get another machine to recognize it. I've resurrected several seemingly hosed Mac drives that way. HTH.

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are you hearing any sounds, or anything that points to a hardware failure?! and also, did you check the cable?

as a matter of fact i did check the cable and found that i put it in backwards ( i don't know if that matters or not) but that didn't fix it, also no abnormal sounds. also about the format... the drive is unrecognized by the box and i did try fdisk ( since its save a few boxes of mine) but that didn't work either. counldn't find windows PE on p2p, is that a live cd of windows? if so that would really kick ass to just have that!! and i don't have a firewire card or a hdd enclouser and no money so thats out of the question! i have tried to install winxp and win2k on this box and an error comes up about I/O (input/output) if that might have anything to do with it... i have also tried useing different ide controllers on my mobo to see if that would help.

kindda off topic, are the ide controllers on a mobo only able to be used for one hdd and one for rom drives or can you use both for hdd or both for rom drives (not that it would make alot of sense)??

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windows pe is sort of a mini windows that is used when you install longhorn

it first installs windows pe and that installs the main os, i don't think its included on the xp disk, someone correct me if im wrong...

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windows pe is sort of a mini windows that is used when you install longhorn

it first installs windows pe and that installs the main os, i don't think its included on the xp disk, someone correct me if im wrong...

so maybe try my longhorn disk then?

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I work as a PC tech at a local buisness that at one time bought ALOT of thouse nasty Fujitsus. The ones with the Cirus Logic chips on them that would die like 3 months after ya put 'em in a box. (MPG serries I think.... also the reson Fujitsu doesn't make HDs anymore) Anyway, one of the tricks we use (as a last resort) is to rap the hard drive in a papper towel and throw it in the frezzer for like half an hour. What this is supposed to do is stiffen up the read / write head in a drive thats crashing (head crash). I'v seen it work with drives the wern't blatently crashing too. The only think is to have another hard drive ready on the same system to catch the data, cuz it'll only work for about 10-15 minutes befor the drive would start to thaw. Usualy we have to do it a few times to get all the data we need, but you'd be supprised how many times this has worked for me. Worth a shot anyway.

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but if he's not hearing any sounds that means its not a head crash, doesn't it?!?

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MOST drive make a clicking noise when they crash. A few I'v ran acrost don't.

twirlz: when you have the drive plugged in and the power on, can you feel the drive spin-up?

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I tried the freezer trick and it didnt work for me. I have never gotten it to work in 32 years, so i still consider it a myth.

about windows PE: it is lik ethe knoppix of the windows world. It has no relationship with longhorn, unless longhorn is going to use it somehow. It is a bootable windowsXP that loads into memory. Knoppix did NOT load for me, BTW. I think it does need to write a couple of things to the HD, which was dead. That is just a guess.

Finally, another thing that helped me with a HD recently was to get an old DOS 6.22/win98 boot disk and do a

format /mbr
to format the master boot record. I had taht problem when trying to recover from an old PCDos installation using grub and it worked like a charm!
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I dont know if this could help anyone but if you guys want to recover any info from your HD you can try Demo Linux it would start form a cd Just like Knoppix but it will give you Superuser or admin that Knoppix wont give you!! so you can recover your files..... I hope this could help anyone later ..cipher. :ninja:

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with the format /mbr that should make it so i can load another OS? because there wasn't anything that can't be replaced on that hard drive but winxp *twirlz finger* big whoop right? i'll try that format because i have the boot disk.

Thanks guys!

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stank: longhorn DOES use PE, it loads it into memory first and uses it to install itself. this never happened to me when i ran longhorn, but some people find that after they reboot they can load pe by itself...its just a bug tho in the longhorn code.

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with the format /mbr that should make it so i can load another OS? because there wasn't anything that can't be replaced on that hard drive but winxp *twirlz finger* big whoop right? i'll try that format because i have the boot disk.

Thanks guys!

well i got a dos 6.22 boot disk and did format /mbr and it comes up with an error of "invalid switch /mbr"

did i do something wrong or should i drop my box from the roof of my building?

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with the format /mbr that should make it so i can load another OS?  because there wasn't anything that can't be replaced on that hard drive but winxp *twirlz finger* big whoop right?  i'll try that format because i have the boot disk.

Thanks guys!

well i got a dos 6.22 boot disk and did format /mbr and it comes up with an error of "invalid switch /mbr"

did i do something wrong or should i drop my box from the roof of my building?

hmmm...try it from a win98 boot disk. My dos 6.22 worked, even though it is not listed as a valid switch on the list/help, it was still there. Try the same thing on a win98 boot disk, just in case.

beyond that....you may right in that roof idea. ;)

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with the format /mbr that should make it so i can load another OS?  because there wasn't anything that can't be replaced on that hard drive but winxp *twirlz finger* big whoop right?  i'll try that format because i have the boot disk.

Thanks guys!

well i got a dos 6.22 boot disk and did format /mbr and it comes up with an error of "invalid switch /mbr"

did i do something wrong or should i drop my box from the roof of my building?

hmmm...try it from a win98 boot disk. My dos 6.22 worked, even though it is not listed as a valid switch on the list/help, it was still there. Try the same thing on a win98 boot disk, just in case.

beyond that....you may right in that roof idea. ;)

well i do know that the hard drive is able to be recognized because i used this boot disk i found on the net while i was downloading my dos 6.22 and that is a readntfs and there is a readntfs.exe and i ran that and there was two partions ( note: everytime i start this computer there is a msg that gives you an update on the config of the drives i.e. if you have a 60gig hard drive and 2 rom drives it will tell you, but the hdd amount keeps on changeing from 9gigs to 19gigs) i'm thinking of playing with the jumpers to see if i accidentaly changed them when i put it in a different box. but i'll keep on trying with this till i have the money for a new drive!

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I hope you folks dont mind me putting in this quick question...

But concerning my HDD for the life of it it had been making noises like little squeeks when ever it would start spinning. I figured it was probably a head issue and finally after 6 months it died I believe. I was formatting for an install of linux and it froze during format with some erroneous error and when I tried going into the boot installation with winxp (FCKGW) it wouldnt even load...just froze after starting the boot from the cd. I took out that HDD and tried with another and it worked fine...so I've assumed it has given up the ghost. RMA on the way. I just wanted a second opinion. -thx

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I hope you folks dont mind me putting in this quick question...

But concerning my HDD for the life of it it had been making noises like little squeeks when ever it would start spinning. I figured it was probably a head issue and finally after 6 months it died I believe. I was formatting for an install of linux and it froze during format with some erroneous error and when I tried going into the boot installation with winxp (FCKGW) it wouldnt even load...just froze after starting the boot from the cd. I took out that HDD and tried with another and it worked fine...so I've assumed it has given up the ghost. RMA on the way. I just wanted a second opinion. -thx

yep...clicking noises are a dead giveaway. If you want to try and get the data off, try some of the methids we talked abotu earlier, maybe the freezer trick will work for you. But yes, it sounds like u r SOL. :blush:

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A great program that Ive used in the past to attempt recovering faulty drives is a nifty low level formatting program called SpinRite. Its successfuly fixed 3-4 of my drives in the past.

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