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Hacking SkyOS

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Okay, so the question you might be asking yourself is: What is SkyOS?

Answer: An OS written by one guy in his spare time, closed source, with contributions from various open source projects. The sad part of it is that people actually *buy* it...

Website: www.skyos.org

In my case, the fact that it was closed source and actually sold kinda shocked me so I decided I had to explore this OS even if I expected it to be crap. First obstacle: you can't get it without paying (no, for those warez monkeys out there, I didn't do warez). So how did I manage to get it free and legally? Well, they offered beta accounts for anybody who translated the OS to a language to which it wasn't translated already. So I did translate SkyOS to Esperanto in a matter of time (for those of you that say Esperanto is useless... okay I admit that wanting a SkyOS beta account isn't a good reason to learn it lol but the point is that I was already speaking it). These guys were so happy of my good work that they gave me my beta account before I finished my work. Anyway, I finished the work and installed the beta of SkyOS in vmware.

Here is a screenshot:

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It has an esthetic interface, but it is a bit slow and compatibility... I prefer not to talk about it (drivers aren't very good either, as you might have guessed). But (yes, there is a but), this system might be interesting in the point of view that it might have numerous security flaws because it is programmed chiefly by one programmer and that few users use it.

So here is this thread. This thread is for explorators like me who want to waste some time extending their horizons to new OSes, may they be crap or not. Yeah, if you want to do so you will need a beta account. I generously propose to lend you mine if you send me a PM.

Let the exploration begin!

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I had a look at it and felt that it’s not really needed and doesn’t do anything better then the open source operating systems. I don’t think it will last and they will probable open it up when they realise that it won’t make them enough money to cover their costs.

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So, its KDE running on an even less standard platform than linux/osx ?

Oh yeah..... that will go far, especially since it costs dollars.

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First what kernel dose it use? I see firefox in there, if they made any changes to the source the they would be braking the GPL. If they use the linux kernel they would still be braking the GPL.

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The project is 10 years old. The kernel isn't using any open source kernel, the kernel is the programmer's own creation. However, some things are GPL (credits are being given too) for example, a modified GRUB (because SkyOS also has its own filesystem) and the icons which I think are taken from a KDE theme. I began to explore this project for the same reason as you, I was suspicious about it. However, I would be really happy if someone of you could try to find evidence of this project breaking the GPL. The graphical environment is NOT KDE btw, it is also the programmer's own creation. It also supports desktop composing (dunno why he programmed desktop composing before USB support and support for CUPS...)

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I do have to ask. If it's closed cource, then how do we know that he didn't just take KDE for example, make a few changes, and then sell it as his own? And how do we know he didn't just take the linux kernel and close it up?

It seems to me that it would be much more likely that the programmer is just a plagiarist having a good time with the words "closed source."

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I don't think it is the case, but I'd like to get the truth out of it. How could we make sure it is or is not a stolen open source project?

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umm it doesn't even use KDE it uses SkyGUI which doesn't even look no where near skyOS.

I am a beta tester for this, and I would say it's a lot better then Windows. It uses the ELF binary format and it doesn't break the GPL, but it's close to breaking it since much of the GPL software is changed since it won't run unless the source code has been changed since SkyOS doesn't use GTK or QT.

Edit 1: Oh yeah grub is a modified verison since SkyOS uses SkyFS for it's filesystem. but much of it doesn't have to do with open source but the apps that can run on it. and if your a developer you can get a dev copy of it if you show them that you can program. which I don't haves icne I m a beta tester

Edit 2: Aghaster that's not what SkyOS looks like anyways

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Wow, I didn't even know I wanted to know what SkyOS is about. Unless it's revolutionary in how it works/changes my life, I really could care less about every different *nix flavor out there.

What's really needed is a radical change in the user interface. I'm so tired of win knockoff's like KDE/Gnome. I want death to a start button.

No more about every flavor of *nix, please. Seriously, not even professional systems engineers such as myself are that passionate to make a case for them. If it makes our jobs/lives easier then it's a bonus. Otherwise we'll stick to what we got and LEARN/LIVE/LOVE the quirks of the OS's we support.

nuff said.

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umm it doesn't even use KDE it uses SkyGUI which doesn't even look no where near skyOS.

I am a beta tester for this, and I would say it's a lot better then Windows. It uses the ELF binary format and it doesn't break the GPL, but it's close to breaking it since much of the GPL software is changed since it won't run unless the source code has been changed since SkyOS doesn't use GTK or QT.

Edit 1: Oh yeah grub is a modified verison since SkyOS uses SkyFS for it's filesystem. but much of it doesn't have to do with open source but the apps that can run on it. and if your a developer you can get a dev copy of it if you show them that you can program. which I don't haves icne I m a beta tester

Edit 2: Aghaster that's not what SkyOS looks like anyways

I've seen KDE setups that look a heck of a lot like the screenshot, chief.

You also do realize that it doesn't matter if it changed stuff, right? If you use anything covered under the GNU GPL, whether it's a redistribution or a derivative, then you must also use the GNU GPL. Period. That's why it's called "viral" by some people. That's the primary difference between the GNU GPL and the BSD license. With the second, anybody can use all or part of a thing without your permission and apply their own license to it.

Now, you can still sorta sell stuff under the GNU, like by doing what Linspire does for example. They aren't so much selling Linux as they are the service of their product. But that's why they have to keep Linspire itself open. Seems like SkyOS is breaking this, by keeping it closed since there's no workaround for keeping anything GNU GPL closed, and there's no way to use anything GNU GPL (doesn't matter how much you say you modify it, it's still a derivative) without having your final product also be GNU GPL.

I'm open to the possiblility of a legitimate explanation of how they're able to legally use GNU GPL derivatives in their product without having the final product be GNU GPL (even though that's contrary to the whole point of the GNU GPL), but yes, I'd love to hear it.

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I do have to ask. If it's closed cource, then how do we know that he didn't just take KDE for example, make a few changes, and then sell it as his own? And how do we know he didn't just take the linux kernel and close it up?

I wouder this same thing about microsoft for years now. :P

What's really needed is a radical change in the user interface. I'm so tired of win knockoff's like KDE/Gnome. I want death to a start button.

Mmmm.... I've use both kde and gnome, I've never seen a start menu. Now there is a botton that opens likes the windows start button, but are you even sure the "start button" started with windows? The main reason for the "start button" is so you don't have to feel a taskbar up with crap you don't use every day and you also don't have minimize all your windows to click on a icon to start a new program. The "start button" or button menu is great for many reasons. And untell we get another sense (six sense) were going to pretty much live like this becasue there has to be a standard in order for us to even use the machine/GUI.

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Just so you know, radical change won't come from a *nix derivate that is doomed. One guy in a garage cannot compete in the world of closed source OSes. If he really wanted something to change, that guy would have open sourced his programs so that they would *really* be helpful to anything. Superior to Windows? Would you prefer using SkyOS over Windows if you really had not other choice? I doubt it. Yeah, it is closer to have standards than a Windows system, but still, good old open source *nix systems are the best. And, btw, I don't see any "start" button on my gnome system. SkyOS only has that button placed on top of the screen that does the exact same as a Windows start button... Ah, and, the bar resizes with applications placed in it... wow... I think XFCE does it too. What an innovation. Sorry, but SkyOS is nothing else but a wannabe OS that is getting nowhere. You wanna enter the OS industry these days? You gotta go open source. Only big giant capitalists like Microsoft can keep their code closed source. Even Darwin for Mac is open source... even if that's not a lot. Sun went open source too...

SkyOS is simply doomed.

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Professor Bagelwood umm windows isn't GPL but it has GPL software the same reason why SkyOS can do it. since it doesn't come default with the GPL software. but then agian skyOS switched ot ELF which means that they don't have toe dit the source code of GPL stuff anymore

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