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Hacker gets busted at school....

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SCHOOL: Give us your computer, NOW!

YOU: I don't think so...

SCHOOL: Give us your computer, or we will expel you and press charges

YOU: OK

<Next Day>

YOU: <Walks in with <386, 486, Apple LC, etc.> Here's my computer...Have fun!

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Well, like i said. I know and i have learned alot from this whole expierience. And yea, i didnt really do much and there wasnt much evidence to label me an elite hacker or anything. They are in fact, morons...

And i dont rly want to make anything of it. Im glad that this is all over, i dont want to start it all up again by saying u took my comp w/o a warrent. I wasnt thinking straight and i rly do want to go bak and chg alot of things but i cant.

Wat is done, is done.

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Ok, i got back the computer today. And i got the messsege that i was dreading... "Operating System not found"....

They formated my hard drive without my permission and it was never included in the search warrent and it just plain wasnt ever stated that they were going to be throwing away my freakin life's documents, pictures, games.

And i know i can get some stuff back with file recovery and all that mess. But its not the point, the point is is that they did sumthing that they werent supposed too and werent authorized to do.

??? = Does a search warrent include eraseing all the data?

What makes this whole thing worse is that i lended my copy of WinXp to a friend that wanted to use it real quick and b4 i was able to get it back i was suspended and havent got it back since. My Win2k isnt working at all, and im not going below 2k. This is once again, ocmplete bullshit, and depending on the answers to my question ??? then i might even file a lawsuit against them. This was all done without my permission and no one wsa ever told they were going to do this.

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Only good news from this...

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They copied everything on my HDD to their computers for i dont know wat reason but they did and mayb if im lucky i might be able to get things like music, school documents, and other things that were important to me off their HDD.

later. :pissed: :cuss: :pissed: :cuss: :grr:

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They copied everything on my HDD to their computers for i dont know wat reason but they did and mayb if im lucky i might be able to get things like music, school documents, and other things that were important to me off their HDD.

You say they copied everything... Does that include any licenced software/music that they have no legal rights to keep a copy of? They then formatted your machine. I can see a couple of issues here.

1. Could this be classed as theft? Yes they have returned your hardware, but they removed all your data from it. Without your consent. They also have their own copies of it.

2. They may also have copies of licenced software and music without valid licences. They can't even prove that they copied it from your box in the course of an investigation, as they have formatted the box.

IANAL but my 2p

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just plain wasnt ever stated that they were going to be throwing away my freakin life's documents, pictures, games.

First it boggles my mind why you would even willingly hand over your computer without securely wiping it as others have stated. Second what ever happened to a thing called backups?

Looks like you have learned many lessons at once on this. :lol:

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Oh bullshit. If they erased your shit, get a fucking lawyer. Sue the living fuck out of these pricks. Find a lawyer who will agree to look over the case and give you a free consultation. If you can, find one who is willing to work for a percentage of what he gets you. Do SOMETHING. This is total crap. If you sit by and let them do this because "oh well at least they didn't press charges", you're being used. What would they press charges on? Evidence found on your home computer? Mapping a drive that was made public? They didn't press charges, because they couldn't. Screw them, get a lawyer immediately.

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Ok, i glad someone agrees with wat i was thinking logik :) , however i am quite very happy to state that they did not format my hdd. They only didnt put it in the computer when i got it and then later on gave me the hdd. And when i finally got the hdd plugged in, i didnt find anything missing. (yet). So im still concerned and im going to be doing a clean wipe just in case their tryin to monitor me from my comp.

But yea, i agree with everything u said logik...

peace

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we don't have anything to worry about, it is not like anyone here is doing anything illegal.

Well, I can't speak for EVERYONE here, but I know a lot of people who visit these forums are of the "White Hat" mentality.

As for me, I'm never going to get close to even crossing that line - I have much too much to lose. Besides, that's what home networks and such are for. ;) Break your own shit. :lol:

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we don't have anything to worry about, it is not like anyone here is doing anything illegal.

Well, I can't speak for EVERYONE here, but I know a lot of people who visit these forums are of the "White Hat" mentality.

As for me, I'm never going to get close to even crossing that line - I have much too much to lose. Besides, that's what home networks and such are for. ;) Break your own shit. :lol:

The whole white hat black hat shit was made by a bunch of assholes. There's no such thing. Hackers hack, end of story.

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I just finished reading this post and wow...jesus christ on a cracker man. i love this shit...glad to know i'm still alive. backup that hard drive and reformat it!

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Wow. I just finished reading this whole thread and I'm quite entertained...lol. Hey, I noticed several times people told you to 'find a new hobbie' or forget about computers for a while. No. Don't do that man. Don't do anything stupid, but don't stop. The whole point of what we do is to learn. If you're not learning, you're wasting your time. Never stop.

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Some bad news...

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Like i said from the tribunal, i was expelled from my school and i wsa supposed to go to another regular public school. But im going to Independence High School, a school basically where u do all the work urself and the teachers just sleep. (Basically). And they guy we talked to actually asked if he could use my handle and passwords in order to talk to ppl i know and get to know them. He basically thinks that i talk to other hackers and trade files with them and trade wares with them.

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But that should rap it up from my last post...

P.S. = Dont follow me, its definatly a shit hole.

And *Note to Self*- Try not to talk about porn with dad again.... *chills down spine*

You were unlucky man, but two things - definately don't talk to your parents about anything that has sexual connotations; I like to believe that my parents stopped having sex after I was conceived :D

...second... don't ever give up computers; I got fired from my first 'proper' job for hacking at a time when hacking wasn't really a generally used term (1985) but it set me off on an excellent career in IT and although it was scary at 16 to be fired and escorted out of a building, i've had a blast along the way and am still doing so - I now have my own company doing PC support - hey you gotta love irony :lol:

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we don't have anything to worry about, it is not like anyone here is doing anything illegal.

Well, I can't speak for EVERYONE here, but I know a lot of people who visit these forums are of the "White Hat" mentality.

As for me, I'm never going to get close to even crossing that line - I have much too much to lose. Besides, that's what home networks and such are for. ;) Break your own shit. :lol:

The whole white hat black hat shit was made by a bunch of assholes. There's no such thing. Hackers hack, end of story.

Thus proving you have much yet to learn.

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we don't have anything to worry about, it is not like anyone here is doing anything illegal.

Well, I can't speak for EVERYONE here, but I know a lot of people who visit these forums are of the "White Hat" mentality.

As for me, I'm never going to get close to even crossing that line - I have much too much to lose. Besides, that's what home networks and such are for. ;) Break your own shit. :lol:

The whole white hat black hat shit was made by a bunch of assholes. There's no such thing. Hackers hack, end of story.

Thus proving you have much yet to learn.

"Whitehat" hackers are people who want to be security admins with a cool label. Aka: Posers. I just don't like these "whitehat" people that refuse to have a little fun, and criticize others who do. Peole take things too seriously.

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we don't have anything to worry about, it is not like anyone here is doing anything illegal.

Well, I can't speak for EVERYONE here, but I know a lot of people who visit these forums are of the "White Hat" mentality.

As for me, I'm never going to get close to even crossing that line - I have much too much to lose. Besides, that's what home networks and such are for. ;) Break your own shit. :lol:

The whole white hat black hat shit was made by a bunch of assholes. There's no such thing. Hackers hack, end of story.

Thus proving you have much yet to learn.

"Whitehat" hackers are people who want to be security admins with a cool label. Aka: Posers. I just don't like these "whitehat" people that refuse to have a little fun, and criticize others who do. Peole take things too seriously.

There is no white, no black. Only grey.

Or sometimes gray. :D

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I think the whole 'hat' system is a little silly. Imagine if we put those titles on regular people. I'm a good guy, I'm a bad guy, I can't make up my mind. Nothing is really accomplished by spliting the community up except giving the media one more thing to confuse the public with.

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we don't have anything to worry about, it is not like anyone here is doing anything illegal.

Well, I can't speak for EVERYONE here, but I know a lot of people who visit these forums are of the "White Hat" mentality.

As for me, I'm never going to get close to even crossing that line - I have much too much to lose. Besides, that's what home networks and such are for. ;) Break your own shit. :lol:

The whole white hat black hat shit was made by a bunch of assholes. There's no such thing. Hackers hack, end of story.

its alot more complex than just hacking ;)

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I think the whole 'hat' system is a little silly. Imagine if we put those titles on regular people. I'm a good guy, I'm a bad guy, I can't make up my mind. Nothing is really accomplished by spliting the community up except giving the media one more thing to confuse the public with.

How about politics. They have lables as such (e.g. Democrat, republican, communist, etc) its all the same. Its a way of defineing. I'm not going to say oh well those guys at such and such forums are all bad hackers its just not the same.

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Wow, ive havent been to my own post in awhile since i thought it was old news and thanks for the positive reviews...:) Also, i never plan on giving anything up. Knowing shit isnt a crime, i could build a small bomb easily, its just how u use the infomation u gain. All i know that im not gonna stop, but mayb a >short< break from the whole security scene... :) very short, month or so... hehe.

I mean, if i stopped that means that everything i learned over the past few years was a waste and getting in trouble with my school isnt going make me throw away my dreams and hopes just b/c of one small insindent. I plan on going even further with my knowledge and learning more will only help me.

And for the hat thing, i kinda sorta believe in it.

WIKI :

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The term white hat hacker is also often used to describe those who attempt to break into systems or networks in order to help the owners of the system by making them aware of security flaws, or to perform some other altruistic activity.

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Usually a Black hat is a person who maintains knowledge of the vulnerabilities and exploits they find as secret for private advantage, not revealing them either to the general public or the manufacturer for correction. Many Black Hats promote individual freedom and accessibility over privacy and security.

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Wow, after reading all of this, one can easily conclude that almost all of you are completely and utterly retarded and you don't really know shit about the real world. Just from the replies alone you can tell who is under 18 and who isn't.

I call a heaping load of bullshit on just about everything in this thread. Everything that happened (if it actually did happen) you probably deserved it. You got back a wiped computer? Go cry me a river. You lost all your documents? Wah. You're not in jail now are you? All these absurd replies about "I'd do this" or "I would do that" or "fuck them" just shows how immature and young most of you are. You can say you would do one thing or another but you have no idea because you've never been in that position.

Once most of you grow a set and get some experience, you'll understand.

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Ok guys, stop talking to him now.

Nah, dont stop talking to me, irc and forums are the only things keeping from going insane with stress and annoyance. But as long as im not getting charged, im happy.

we don't have anything to worry about, it is not like anyone here is doing anything illegal.

Or perhaps we just don't speak of our activity.

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Wow, after reading all of this, one can easily conclude that almost all of you are completely and utterly retarded and you don't really know shit about the real world. Just from the replies alone you can tell who is under 18 and who isn't.

I call a heaping load of bullshit on just about everything in this thread. Everything that happened (if it actually did happen) you probably deserved it. You got back a wiped computer? Go cry me a river. You lost all your documents? Wah. You're not in jail now are you? All these absurd replies about "I'd do this" or "I would do that" or "fuck them" just shows how immature and young most of you are. You can say you would do one thing or another but you have no idea because you've never been in that position.

Once most of you grow a set and get some experience, you'll understand.

Welcome to the binrev forums.

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