tehbizz

Is the 'split' of our beloved intarweb here?

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Oh yes, /. is the end all of purely factual and accurate information.  If you believe anything on /., I'll give you a good +1 naivete.

If you're saying that it would only affect requests coming into the US, just how do you expect them to inspect every single request and filter it properly for every single request made every nanosecond?  Sure, it's doable now and it works rather well however it is not functioning on the plane of an entire continent.

If there was a split, there'd be two sets of root zone files, neither distinguishable from the other and no differention in protocols, just how would everything get sent to the right place?  What about those users using proxies (or heaven forbid, a state-controlled parent proxy)?

Alright , but thats not the point, of course there is going to be hurdles and I did not make that clear, sorry. I agree that it would be a mess but I am not paranoid about that. I am paranoid that people want to censor everyone else. I mean, lately everyone has been bashing the US when it comes to censorship and to certain extent we deserve it, but we do not censor our network nearly as much as parts of the EU or China. The point is , do we want to maintain our own network or are we going to let the UN overlords "fix" something that was never broken.

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If there was a split, there'd be two sets of root zone files, neither distinguishable from the other and no differention in protocols, just how would everything get sent to the right place?  What about those users using proxies (or heaven forbid, a state-controlled parent proxy)?

Here's an interesting one to contemplate. What will happen to everybody using the Tor network via Privoxy?

Privoxy uses Tor to evaluate DNS requests, which means that if a net-split were to happen that you can never guarantee which part of the split you're Tor endpoint will be on for evaluating DNS. As such, it would be very possible to switch endpoints mid-session and suddenly get sent to a different site. Imagine how incredably annoying it would be if you were posting to here via Tor, and the request after you pressed the "Add Reply" button was after an endpoint change, and instead of evaluating to here you instead get sent somewhere else.

Next. Someone said that it wouldn't have a huge bearing on US business if this happened, because the US internet would still work the same as before. I hate to break it to you, but the majority of the world is actually outside of the US. Imagine what would happen to - for example - Amazon if suddenly their domans didn't work in the EU. I've no clue as to figures, but I expect that a large chunk of their sales are from the EU. I'd even go so far as to say that they have more sales from ourside the US than from inside it, but that's just speculation on my part. If I'm accurate then it would mean a 50%+ drop in sales for them, and that is going to hurt a hell of a lot.

Finally - I'm totally appalled at the way this thread has gone. One of the main things I'm seeing in here is the US and the EU camps hurling abuse at each other, and with no real reason. If a net-split does happen then it is likely to hurt everybody, the world over. Users in the US might well notice it less because things probably wouldn't change there. Business in the US will certainly notice it. Both users and business outside the US will certainly notice it as well. There are also quite a few ways that users in the US will notice it too. For example, as has been suggested at before here, I run a free UO shard in my spare time. That's hosted on a UK server, with the domain purchased from a UK registrar. If this DNS was to vanish off of the US DNS system then nobody over there would be able to connect to my shard to play UO. This is only a very small example, but it's a real life one that I know the consequences of first-hand. There are going to be hundreds, if not thousands of other examples of hugely varying scales that follow the same pattern.

Apologies if this rant got out of control. I've tried to control it a bit but it's just ridiculous how this topic seems to be going.

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As far as Im concerned, the Europeans can kiss my fucking ass. The internet was an American invention, and is still an American thing. If some stupid asses across the ocean want their own internet, fine, but they sure as hell shouldnt be allowed to control anything that the U.S. uses.

And yet somehow it's okay for the US to control something they use?

Grow up dude. The world doesn't work like that. The United States of America are not entitled to regulate the rest of the world. And so what if the internet was invented in america? The entire point of a globalized society is that countries share goods and ideas, not act like nationalist assholes and try to lord their invention over the rest of the world.

So I guess what I'm trying to say, is that YOU can "kiss my fucking ass".

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Sazzer is one of the few who replied that's actually trying to think about this logically and hit on many points I was trying to make.

When I brought up proxy users, I was thinking directly of those who use TOR, myself included.

I was trying to make a pertinent and intelligent thread but I guess I was wishfully thinking.

MODS: Please close this thread to avoid further undue flaming.

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Finally - I'm totally appalled at the way this thread has gone. One of the main things I'm seeing in here is the US and the EU camps hurling abuse at each other, and with no real reason.

/me nods.

Something I think worth pointing out. After reading a bit on this over the past day or so (yeah, I'm quite the expert now :P ) I wonder: Why wouldn't the United States relinquish some control over this? This "split" seemingly can be avoided by agreeing to work together, and share administration of these root servers. Correct me if I am wrong. Is it a "time of international conflict" worry like the worries sited spurring the creation of both GPS and Galileo? Or is this simply a byproduct of the displeasure (the majority of) the EU has expressed with US foreign policy over the past few years, spilling over into this....with the US in turn sensing that, and giving the proverbial bird, "because they can"?

Basically what I ask, and it's quite hard to find a definitive answer on this.....What is the position of the U.S. on this, why are they taking the stance they are? Even if an opposite stance can be taken as in any argument, what is the reason that can be argued *for* retaining absolute control?

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As far as Im concerned, the Europeans can kiss my fucking ass. The internet was an American invention, and is still an American thing. If some stupid asses across the ocean want their own internet, fine, but they sure as hell shouldnt be allowed to control anything that the U.S. uses.

I agree. Fuck the Euro-trash. The europeans should be more worried about their growing Islamic-problem and not about the online...

Dirty Muslims are pouring into Europe while the Europeans bury their head in shit. Sad really.

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I just thought I would chime in. The Europeans that have posted in this thread have responded with a lot of restraint considering......

Guys, we aren't all racist assholes like my aptly handled countrymen above. Don't be baited please. My country is full of people like that, but not everyone acts like an ass. No use rubbing the noses of those who aren't morons in the shit from those who are. We can look around every day for ourselves and see the sense of entitlement and racism in our country anyways. In any case, I am fairly embarassed at the way some U.S. citizens have behaved in this thread. Don't be to harsh on the sane ones please. :D

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I just thought I would chime in. The Europeans that have posted in this thread have responded with a lot of restraint considering......

Guys, we aren't all racist assholes like my aptly handled countrymen above. Don't be baited please. My country is full of people like that, but not everyone acts like an ass. No use rubbing the noses of those who aren't morons in the shit from those who are. We can look around every day for ourselves and see the sense of entitlement and racism in our country anyways. In any case, I am fairly embarassed at the way some U.S. citizens have behaved in this thread. Don't be to harsh on the sane ones please. :D

Ok, I would like to apologize about everything I called anyone. I know I seemed like a dipshit, I had just got done discussing a whole ton of stuff over European crap and was still pissed. I take back everything I said that was negative. hopefully some of you are mature enough to take this apology sincerely and not just bash me more, I don't want to be an ass, and I am not always like that. I'm not a "racist asshole" or a "moron," but I agree with everything else that Evolve said, I am embarrassed by my own actions. please forgive me

by the way, I really am not a redneck <_<

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As far as Im concerned, the Europeans can kiss my fucking ass. The internet was an American invention, and is still an American thing. If some stupid asses across the ocean want their own internet, fine, but they sure as hell shouldnt be allowed to control anything that the U.S. uses.

I agree. Fuck the Euro-trash. The europeans should be more worried about their growing Islamic-problem and not about the online...

Dirty Muslims are pouring into Europe while the Europeans bury their head in shit. Sad really.

This is the exact reason I want this thread closed. I know when intelligent conversation comes around, no matter where you are, someone is determined to undermine it with their own fancy brand of hate.

Wish I was a mod so I could A. warn and B. edit this racist post.

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This is the exact reason I want this thread closed.  I know when intelligent conversation comes around, no matter where you are, someone is determined to undermine it with their own fancy brand of hate.

Wish I was a mod so I could A. warn and B. edit this racist post.

Jesus. I told you I wouldn't close the thread earlier. Then this morning I find you reported it to other mods.

If it wouldn't fucknut you, I would warn your ass again.

Don't like the trolls? Don't feed them. (BTW, I /do/ believe that the europeans are burying their head in the sand when it comes to the Muslim Influx)

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I reported someone's post because I felt it necessary, I wasn't reporting the thread.

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