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i'm going to be heading back to school hopefully soon and i wanted to get an opinion of the forum to what everyone thinks is better....

Certification or a Degree?

i really don't want to go through my generals so im plaining on going with the certification just so i don't have to do those. but i did find a skool that for one payment i can get as many certs in that amount of time... now i'm assuming that its about a year time lenght so i should be able to get at least a few certs in that amount of time.

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degree...undoubtedly. You have to have the degree requirements just to get your resume into the hands of the people that are hiring. certifications are bonuses that may put you over the top, but the degree is a must.

Plus, certifiction can be done afterwards and sometimes is paid for by the employer if they want/need it from the employee.

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well all i can say is this... one of the best system admins i know only has a certifiacte and makes 35,000 a year. so that all depends on how much money you want to make.

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i just want to have something that sez i know what i know instead of just telling them i'm self taught.

stank: now i talk to someone today that said that a degree is more like a spotlight and a cert is to a pinpoint on that topic. so if i get some certs then i know lotz of stuff and more to the point than what i could know with a degree. but that was a person that i'm planing on going to school at!!!

*shrugs*

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ill put it this way. the level of degree and formal education ex.college you have has a direct relation ship with respect you will get from others and money you will make. Also,this also has an indirect relation ship with the amount of people you have heckling you. unless you are an independent busniess man and a ceo of a major corporation

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Without a doubt certification. If you have what a company is looking for, you're in. Check the newspaper, people are looking for A+, Net+, CCNA, etc...very few mention a Bachelor of Arts, or care if you know enough about Shakespeare. My recommendation? If you're sure you want computers, go through a tech school that will hook you up with a job like mine. Every one of my teachers tells me to not accept anything under 60g's, and that's fine by me.

Of course, I am the greatest in my class...not to mention on this board...because I know rdist technique, I know sendmail technique, and my style, is much better :)

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Yes, screama'-son. *bows* :)

EDIT: k, Screamer was whining, bitching, and complaining that I didn't get his back... So, I got ya back doo. :) lol

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My recommendation? If you're sure you want computers, go through a tech school that will hook you up with a job like mine. Every one of my teachers tells me to not accept anything under 60g's, and that's fine by me.

Yes teachers like Mr. C. I'm sure you can trust whatever they have to say :roll:.

Of course, I am the greatest in my class...not to mention on this board...because I know rdist technique, I know sendmail technique, and my style, is much better :)

And another :roll: for good measure.

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Absolutely a degree.

First, like ragweed said, your average income over your lifetime is higher with every degree you earn. Then, a degree shows an employer not only that you're proficient in your field, but that you can complete set goals, communicate effectively and work within groups - both necessary in college and the "real" world. Next, regardless of discipline, a degree can open doors to any field within which you wish to work. For example, I work with someone who has a Sociology degree that is an expert in simulation. Degrees can be universal.

Finally, there are tons of hot chicks at college. :wub:

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Finally, there are tons of hot chicks at college. :wub:

to bad im married huh?

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even though screamer is the 31337 zyb3r n1nj4, I have to say that I have 12 years in the computer industry. Professional experience that can confirm that the degree is more important. I see people turned away from jobs EVERY DAY because they dont have the degree. Period.

Certification does help more in the networking field, but like I said before, these can be acheived during or after college. Also, certifications expire, degrees don't.

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Also, certifications expire, degrees don't.

didn't know that... that is very good to know!

what i think i might do since i have tution remebursment i will get my a+ cert and network+ cert and then get a job at my current company in the field and then since i will be doing what i want to be doing rather than data fucking entry sorry pisses me off... then go for my degree... get the cert to get my foot in the door then go for the degree. that same lady i talked to also said that a degree is more for managorial possitions rather than a cert of more for like help desk/ IT tech. but i really appricate the input

Thanks

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Now Stank, you should point out that CompTIA certs never expire. It's the more vendor specific ones that do, like the MCSE.

Your best bet is to get some sort of schooling so you can have people backing you and putting in a good word. I don't have an "official" 12 years in the computer industry, but I know plenty of people making 60k+ a year without a degree.

Of course, the degree never hurts. In fact, I might actually go back to school...since I have a legitimate reason for not being able to pass math :)

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are the compTIA certs like A+, network+ and ones like that and the ones that do are the microsoft ones???

well sounds like m$

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Yep, but other vendors as well from what I understand.

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well this is tons of great input for me to talk to this lady about on monday!!! asking which ones will expire, ones that don't, and a degree program!!! fucking a!!! this will be fun!!!

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Of course, the degree never hurts. In fact, I might actually go back to school...since I have a legitimate reason for not being able to pass math :)

Heh what's your reason?

I think mine would be that the elementary school I went to used us as guinea pigs for every new bullshit teaching method that came along. I couldn't understand half the stuff they were doing. They even thought I had a reading disablility until I tought myself...

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Ahh screamer why did you edit that post. That was interesting...those things you mentioned sound a little too familiar to me as well :unsure:.

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It answered your question, didn't really feel like letting it sit there lol

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you may want to consider something outside of computers.

with the tech downturn lately, it dosen't look that good.

maybye a few years ago you could walk out of school and make 60g's as a sysadmin, but I highly doubt you'll find that today. I know, it's in all the commercials! make 60G! get trained in 9 months.

A few months ago I went to CLN training center to see about going for my networks certs, she told me about a few of their students success stories, and one guy actually got a job with verizon making 50G. she said this was VERY rare nowadays.

I would say at THE most, for someone straight outta school, you could expect 30-35g. don't set your expectations too high. if you put 60g down as your salrie requirements, you'll be laughed out of every interview.

a little bit of reality from computer world:

Hard times

Tech workers trying to find jobs face a bleak future

By JULIA KING

(April 29, 2002)

In interviews, more than 50 CIOs, high-tech hiring managers, recruiters, consultants and out-of-work IT professionals in different regions of the country told the same story: Two years of heavy corporate merger activity followed by the dot-com bust and a general downturn in the economy have brutalized the IT job market, victimizing even veteran, highly skilled IT professionals, The result is the largest pool ever of unemployed computer specialists, who are alternately bewildered, angry and, increasingly, bitter. A harsh economy has forced many into lengthy unemployment.

Yea, it was last year, but things haven't picked up much.

this is the stuff they don't tell you about in tech schools, then after you've spent all your fucking money, you get out, and WHAMOO.. no job.

Right now, I'm working as a delivery driver, My cousin is a Network tech at a fairly large library, i make more money that he does. alot of it depend on where you live, around here, plumbers make more that sysadmins, no matter how much training you have. And second, from what I hear, you'll likely be doing help desk duty for a good long time before they will move you up to admin.

Just a thought guys. I got burnt by the compter industry, and before i go rushing back in, i want to make sure things are a little more stable.

people are fighting just to get an internship!

http://rss.com.com/2100-1022_3-1021549.htm...=feed&subj=news

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Not wanting to be a fence sitter, but is there any way you can consider getting both a degree AND certification? The idea is not putting all your eggs in one basket. Get a degree in a non-computer related field, but then go for certification as well. I think that will open up alot more possibilities down the road and will give you alternatives to fall back on.

Most (if not all) of the various graphic design gigs I've held I got due to, in some small part because of my tech skills. Every job I've had has been with places that use Macs, if not in the entire company, then at least in the design dept. In most cases I was the only one who could service, network and troubleshoot the computers. I picked up a lot of knowledge and it fuled my desire to learn that much more.

Fast forward to today, when I'm running my own biz from home. Not only to I do the design work, but I also do Mac support and training, which has become a BIG part of what I do. I can't see putting all my eggs in the graphic design basket, when I have marketable skills that can make me even more money (not that it;s all about the bling-bling, but I gotta eat). If someone doesn't need a website built, they might need a hard drive replaced, or a tech issue solved. it opens more opportunities for me to make a living.

I have a degree in Political Science. And yes, you can see I put it to good use. That being said, I am considering certification (ACTC: Apple Certified Technical Coordinator - more or less Apple's equivialant to MCSE, but you're certified for Mac OS X Server) to compliment my degree and "professionalize" the tech knowledge and skills I already have. Potential clients might be more willing to work with me if I have that little piece of paper, just as a company might be more willing to hire me if I have a peice of paper with a degree on it. Sometimes you can have all the "street knowledge" in the world, but without that little piece of paper, you can't even get in the door.

Companies these days are looking for the ├╝berwerker: someone who can do EVERYTHING. Getting a degree AND certification wouldn't be easy, but it would open lots more possibilities and give you more options.

Just my $1.68 worth. ^_^

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well i went to look at the cert training center to find that it is a pretty cool place. the pretty much guarantee that you get your cert and if you don't they front the bill for up to 5 more time for you to get your cert. then they have this membership program where you pay either 6995.00 for one year or 8995.00 for two years and in that amount of time you can get as many certs you can get!! pretty cool huh? Thats what i thought to untill the end of my little adventure that i will not take again!!! at the end comes the fucking pressure sale. "lets fill out a loan app now just to see if you qualify" or this one " do you think your parents could co-sign??" or this one also " could your parent borrow you the money and with tution reembursment you could pay them back... tell me now... now i say!!! ROARRRRRRRR!!!!" well it wasn't like the last one but it sold me on getting my degree. I think i was looking for a quick fix to get into the IT field but instead i got a swift kick to reality to know that a degree is the way even tho i have to do my generals!! so fuck techskills.com i tried to post to get the ip but bitch face presure sale came back. So thanks for the opinions but im getting my degree!!!

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I'm getting both a degree and a cert(ccna) at the same time. Like logan5 said, it opens alot of possibilities.

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