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Is that why the payphones at 7-11 used to accept calls and now none of the Verizon hybrid's at 7-11's take incoming calls anymore? They ujsed to ring 4 times, now the modem picks up after one ring.

Oh my now its getting confusing, yours are Verizon COCOTS and they have a contract with 7-11 to have them installed, however they are the smartphones but not in verizown territory.

Yes, they are COCOTs operated by Verizon. They are usually Automatic Electric 120 housing, running Protel software. Yes, this is SBC territory. The next city over is Verizon land though.

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Ok Royal has been working on a damn phile for a while now and he will have it out for you to better understand.

phreaking A!! canada

heh

Royal releasing tha file has been added to my 'signs the apocalypse is near' list.

Nothing personal Royal, but how long have you been working on that? A year? :)

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Ok Royal has been working on a damn phile for a while now and he will have it out for you to better understand.

phreaking A!! canada

heh

Royal releasing tha file has been added to my 'signs the apocalypse is near' list.

Nothing personal Royal, but how long have you been working on that? A year? :)

My theory is that he's been busy translating the Bell System Technical Journal into leet-speak :)

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OK, because there appears to be MASSIVE CONFUSION about this topic, here's a very basic rundown of the various coin-collection methods used in payphones in the United States. If this information is unclear, ask me for clarification.

DUMB PHONES

Dumb phones are the classic modern payphone; they're operated by the central office and contain no intelligence whatsoever. They tend to be owned and operated by the incumbent local telephone company.

When the minimum deposit is placed into the phone, a relay in the totalizer is tripped. Once the customer has finished dialing, the CO conducts a ground test on the payphone. If the totalizer relay has been tripped, the phone passes the ground test and the call goes through. If the relay has not been tripped, the phone fails the ground test and the call does not go through.

For toll calls, a coin-return is sent to the phone to clear out the coin relay, and the call is switched to a TOPS trunk. The TOPS tandem prompts for a coin deposit. As the customer deposits coins, tones are sent down the line which represent the individual coins; the TOPS equipment totals up the deposit, completes the call, and prompts for more money as time elapses.

SMART PHONES

These are also known as COCOTs. The lines these phones sit on are standard loop-start lines; the CO does no ground test and the call is never handled by TOPS. All call rating, coin collection, coin validation, and so on are handled by electronics and basic computers inside the telephone set itself.

HYBRID PHONES

These phones operate like dumb phones for local calls, yet operate like smart phones for toll calls. They tend to be owned and operated by the incumbent local telephone company.

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Some COCOTS do handle ACTS signalling. Some Protel models are the perfect example. Here's a Protel PDF http://naicomm.com/provemsg.pdf

"Error 61 Coin Tone Fraud - The phone detected coin tones generated outside the payphone."

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Some COCOTS do handle ACTS signalling. Some Protel models are the perfect example. Here's a Protel PDF http://naicomm.com/provemsg.pdf

"Error 61 Coin Tone Fraud - The phone detected coin tones generated outside the payphone."

Yes - there are Protel models designed to function in a mode which emulates a standard ACTS phone, but for signaling purposes, they are actually functionally identical to the standard WECo single-slot.

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Yo thanks strom for putting that in terms for the people that don't understand whats going on.

late

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Thanks Strom, that's what I was figurin'.

Why can't the rest of you folks write like that? I think sometimes you guys purposely obfuscate your sentances to confuse poor fellows like me.

Strom, I'm honestly suprised that what you wrote was all that was said in the sentances I quoted. I really thought there was something cool and amazing goin' on. :S

You need to teach a grammer class.

And Greyarea, it's EH not A! :P Silly rabbit.

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Fun fact, the firmware upgrade blocks 10-10-288-0.

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Fun fact, the firmware upgrade blocks 10-10-288-0.

Lovely. That's just lovely. I thought they had to allow access to the carrier of our choice? :nono:

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Fun fact, the firmware upgrade blocks 10-10-288-0.

Lovely. That's just lovely. I thought they had to allow access to the carrier of our choice? :nono:

We could file an FCC complaint

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Fun fact, the firmware upgrade blocks 10-10-288-0.

Lovely. That's just lovely. I thought they had to allow access to the carrier of our choice? :nono:

We could file an FCC complaint

Not if they still allow 10102881 though I'm not sure if they do.

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Fun fact, the firmware upgrade blocks 10-10-288-0.

Lovely. That's just lovely. I thought they had to allow access to the carrier of our choice? :nono:

You can still dial 1-800-CALLATT and 1-800-OPERATOR, so thats not true.

That does suck though.

talking about the same phones but different scenrio:

Its weird though when you go thru the operator trunks for regional longdistance calls and flash the hook, you get a "clah-dunk" and BAM an operator in on your line and they get all confused. Sometimes their like "Sir are you done with the call"

and other times they just disconnect your call silently without annoucing that their on the line. If your not having an intresting conversation. But both the called party and calling party can hear them.

late.

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Its weird though when you go thru the operator trunks for regional longdistance calls and flash the hook, you get a "clah-dunk" and BAM an operator in on your line and they get all confused. Sometimes their like "Sir are you done with the call"

That's exactly how ALL TOPS calls are supposed to work; you flash and it brings an operator onto the line. This has been the case for decades now. :)

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Its weird though when you go thru the operator trunks for regional longdistance calls and flash the hook, you get a "clah-dunk" and BAM an operator in on your line and they get all confused. Sometimes their like "Sir are you done with the call"

That's exactly how ALL TOPS calls are supposed to work; you flash and it brings an operator onto the line. This has been the case for decades now. :)

Yeah well I really like it, I never really thought to flash the hook when calling this way. I did however realize the fact that when I was in qwest teritory in AZ that when the called party hung up an operator would come back onto the line.

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Fun fact, the firmware upgrade blocks 10-10-288-0.

Fun fact: 10-10-288-0 has always been blocked (well, at least in MA/NH/RI)

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Never in NYC, never on any Verizon phone I've ever encountered. It sucks!

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Never in NYC, never on any Verizon phone I've ever encountered. It sucks!

Uhm.. you can get around these restrictions using Basic Phreaking Skills 101.

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Fun Fact: Every 10-10 carrier is blocked from payphones around here (780). 'Cept for Bell COCOTs (BOCOTs), they allow 10-10-929.

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Fun Fact: Every 10-10 carrier is blocked from payphones around here (780). 'Cept for Bell COCOTs (BOCOTs), they allow 10-10-929.

Fun fact: 10-10 doesn't work at all on any of the phones around here*. Seems BT doesn't want to allow that for some strange reason :)

*Here being the UK. And no, I'm not being serious :=P

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fun fact* our gay pots line wont let me call the ops wtf

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