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m2mike

Sex offender check in schools

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I just wanted to share this here and get some feedback as to how effective (or not) this system could be.

Go here:

http://www.raptorware.com/home/

Click on the TV for Raptor in the media. You might need Internet Explorer to view the video clips.

I don't know how well thought out this system is since some implementations of this use a magstripe.

This is supposed to track visitors which includes parents and it also tracks tardy students.

A temporary badge is issued once your ID has been shown and processed through this system. A simple way around this is to use a digital camera and photo the badge you are issued. You now have a copy of the badge you have to turn in.

Thoughts? Comments?

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I'm not sure where your getting "sex offender check" from so perhabs a more specific link to that would help...

But yes, your absoutely right about the "security" of mag stripe cards. In today's world for about $400 you can buy a read/writer and with a system like this you could be anyone you wanted to be. A low tech solution of course would be simply to steal the card from someone who was authorized.

As a small side note, a lot of schools (as in univerities) will have you swipe your student card before and after a class for attendance. I'm sure you can see what happens here ;)

I like the idea, but for a good implementation I would vote for photographs on the cards, along with holograms (also easly forged) with a thumb print and encrypted smart card technology (breakable but then again isn't everything?). Also there should always be a well trained human in the mix checking everything. Secuirty in depth is important as well, swipes not only at the front door, but perhaps one for each building and an extra one for the office/classrooms in high risk areas?

-Dr^ZigMan

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When he said ID card I beleive was referring to a government issued card like a license. After all he is talking about pre-employment screening. Forging sate ID's is a difficult to do and probaly unlikely for a sex offender. It would be a lot easier to go sit in a playground.

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When he said ID card I beleive was referring to a government issued card like a license. After all he is talking about pre-employment screening. Forging sate ID's is a difficult to do and probaly unlikely for a sex offender. It would be a lot easier to go sit in a playground.

I hate to be the one to admit it, but just about every single type of card that exists on the market right now can be forged. It's unforunte but it's the simple truth of the matter.

Heh, sit in the playground, good point ;)

-Dr^ZigMan

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Well, the guy said it would check 45 state databases. Now assuming a pedophile did forge an ID he would have to use someones real info and they would have to look like him. I dont think any pedophile would go through all that hassle for some unripened poon.

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Here is a necro thread that has become a current topic again. What is to be done about skeevy pervs that pray on school children? I don't agree with the statement

I dont think any pedophile would go through all that hassle for some unripened poon.

I have been party to bringing some of these sick FAQers to justice, and these worthless sub-human choad suckers will do anything to sexually molest a child. Unfortunately some of these sick pukes are among the hacker populous at large http://www.forbes.com/1998/04/17/feat_side1.html and they seem to have a good organization amongst themselves. Since, binrev is all about dispelling the negative image that hackers get in the media and in government circles shouldn't we be doing our part to purge this fecal matter from our midst? Any suggestions?

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Since, binrev is all about dispelling the negative image that hackers get in the media and in government circles shouldn't we be doing our part to purge this fecal matter from our midst? Any suggestions?

Jawohl, Herr Kommandant, die Predatoren wirden in Konzentrationcampfen relokieren und im die Kopf geschutzen! (yes I know it's broken German, quit bitching)

Seriously though, it's an ancient thread and nobody cares. Also, "To Catch A Predator" is funnier than many comedy shows I've seen.

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Yeah, I know its an old thread. That's why I used it to show that the topic is fresh in the news again. See I figure why waste valuable space starting another thread since most of you apathetic pukes will just allow it to pass on to necro status again. Obviously it will be ignored by apathetic voyeurs who think that watching child pervs get busted on the idiot box is more productive or helpful than trying to actually move public opinion towards more effective action against a group of depraved child rapers that seem to be associating themselves more and more with the hacker community.

And you can stick the German remark in your @55. My heritage is German and my ancestors fought against the Nazi regime that you would like to insinuate my opinions are patterned after. Of course, apathy never took much brain power so I guess I'll have to let your infantile remark fade into the same obscurity as this post.

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Respect from who? child molesters? Apathetic clowns? I'm just voicing my opinion concerning the negative effect pedophiles have on the reputation of hacking. I didn't realize that agreeing with everybody, spinning your moral compass, and stroking the menial mentalities were prerequisites to gaining respect. I guess I'll have to live without respect, huh?

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Respect from who? child molesters?

Who are you referring to?

Apathetic clowns?

You know your parents couldn't give a shit either.

I'm just voicing my opinion concerning the negative effect pedophiles have on the reputation of hacking.

Sounds like your opinion "concerning the negative effect pedophiles have" is composed of calling us names.

I didn't realize that agreeing with everybody, spinning your moral compass, and stroking the menial mentalities were prerequisites to gaining respect.

One of many prerequisites to gaining respect is not behaving like a fucking 4 year old when someone disagrees. (which you just did)

I guess I'll have to live without respect, huh?

Go cry me a river, emo kid.

See I figure why waste valuable space starting another thread since most of you apathetic pukes will just allow it to pass on to necro status again. Obviously it will be ignored by apathetic voyeurs who think that watching child pervs get busted on the idiot box is more productive or helpful than trying to actually move public opinion towards more effective action against a group of depraved child rapers that seem to be associating themselves more and more with the hacker community.

Tell you what, cowboy: you want to be a fucking hero? Then just do it and stop bitching on a fucking forum! I don't remember seeing you do anything to fight pedophiles except expecting us to immediately help you on whichever non-specific task you present to us and then going butthurt over the fact that (surprise!) people actually have other things to do! Yes, that's right, people really don't give a shit if some pervert associates themselves with hackers, so the natural reaction is not giving a fuck. Which obviously collides with your dumbass ambitions and overgrown ego of someone who thinks they are the best thing ever, resulting in massive butthurt.

And you can stick the German remark in your @55.

Seems like you care what others think of you after all.

My heritage is German and my ancestors fought against the Nazi regime that you would like to insinuate my opinions are patterned after.

I didn't insinuate anything, too bad you have a moralizing ego of a zealot with hemorrhoids and can't take a joke.

Of course, apathy never took much brain power so I guess I'll have to let your infantile remark fade into the same obscurity as this post.

So, your post didn't took much brain power either, eh? The worst part is that I didn't invest much brain power in my previous post, and you did in yours. Now, since you claimed that that also will result in failure ("fade into the same obscurity"), that makes you either a failure OR a dumbass. Choose your reward.

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Respect from who? child molesters? Apathetic clowns? I'm just voicing my opinion concerning the negative effect pedophiles have on the reputation of hacking. I didn't realize that agreeing with everybody, spinning your moral compass, and stroking the menial mentalities were prerequisites to gaining respect. I guess I'll have to live without respect, huh?

Pretty funny.

I understand this is an important topic, but last time I checked, people don't listen to you when you disrespect them. I'm also pretty sure you insulted quite a few people on this board by refering to them as 'apathetic clowns'. You are making yourself out to be a clown.

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WhatChout, you are right I can't take a joke concerning this issue. As to my own activities, I have actively used my hacking skills to assist in the arrest of three different pedophiles who are now behind bars for distribution of child pornography. The point of reviving this thread as I said was to point out the longevity of the problem. I had no intention of using the forum to dictate what people should or shouldn't do personally concerning the issue, but merely raise awareness of the issue. You started the the decline in the conversation with your first post and have obviously finished it with your last. Hope you feel better getting that out.

Alk3, the use of apathetic clowns was in reference to WhatChout not everyone on the board, that should be clear from the thread. If it isn't, I apologize to the mislead.

As to my "reward", WhatChout, I guess I'll choose failure since the dumbass award is already taken.

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Since, binrev is all about dispelling the negative image that hackers get in the media and in government circles shouldn't we be doing our part to purge this fecal matter from our midst? Any suggestions?

Jawohl, Herr Kommandant, die Predatoren wirden in Konzentrationcampfen relokieren und im die Kopf geschutzen! (yes I know it's broken German, quit bitching)

Seriously though, it's an ancient thread and nobody cares. Also, "To Catch A Predator" is funnier than many comedy shows I've seen.

WhatChout - you started this whole thing by stating "nobody cares"! Why should you care or we care for that matter. Let me open the door and usher you into reality.

SCENARIO A: Guy gets into (however he does it key logger, guessing, or whatever) a nameless government employees email and spreads the email over the internet.

CONCLUSION: I put "gets" in bold because he will be called a hacker and there will be some griping and moaning about hackers etc. Not much in that scenario that will cause hackers / normal people much

concern during the average day.

SCENARIO B: Guy gets into (however he does it key logger, guessing, or whatever) a nameless 12yr. old girls email - then uses the information to .... I won't go into any detail but you get the picture. Now this guy is probably called a hacker too once the details are revealed and I can guarantee you that this is played up to the media's advantage. This story can span the country in minutes. This is only 1 scenario and one aspect of computing.

CONCLUSION: Additional fodder for hardening privacy, hardening hacking laws, attempts to restrict the information, especially if the guy was questioned as to how he accomplished this and responded with "well the information was out there" or "it was so easy I just read how to online" or "I purchased the [insert whatever] online" or "I read how to do it on a hacking website" whatever and if we are really unlucky a congressman or senator decides to run with the hot button issue and tries to make some

Let me put this in perspective for you now that you are standing in the doorway.

This leads to legislation against computer users and specifically hackers. Anytime hacking is associated with children in a negative connotation we---- the people who go further in the use of computers, the internet, and knowledge stemming from the internet are penalized.

Now that you have a foot in the door let me finish leading you inside.

Please have a look at some of my artwork hanging on the walls.

The SAFE Act was rushed through Congress with only 2 dissenting votes. Why? Because it was to "protect the children."

I am not advocating against protecting them. However, doing so starts with the parents and is not solved by legislation.

Read these links. They are to techdirt articles and to read them all might take you 3 minutes.

Congress Rushes Through Law To Protect The Children... And Make Open WiFi A Huge Liability

Will The Courts Finally Find One Of Congress's Attempt To Protect Children Online Constitutional?

Judge Says COPA Can't Protect The Children At The Expense Of Free Speech

New Senate Bills 'Protect The Children' At Plenty Of Others' Expense

Any time a bill or legislation is introduced with the goal of "protecting the children" the chances of it passing go up dramatically. Never mind if it tramples on privacy or the Constitution. So take into consideration this while saying that it does not matter as more and more pedophiles are being associated with the hacker community. Now this is not hackers fault, mind you this is because they find using the information and tools help them commit their crimes.

Why don't we step into my time machine.

Go back in time to when phone phreaking was taking off.

Lets look at one of the people that I can stand back and say "damn that guy was a hacker" and be serious about the term hacking applying to a person who embodies the word. A guy who was hacking before most of us could walk or were born.

John Draper - also known as Captain Crunch

- from the wikipedia article

“I don't do that. I don't do that anymore at all. And if I do it, I do it for one reason and one reason only. I'm learning about a system. The phone company is a System. A computer is a System, do you understand? If I do what I do, it is only to explore a system. Computers, systems, that's my bag. The phone company is nothing but a computer.”—From Secrets of the Little Blue Box by Ron Rosenbaum, Esquire Magazine (October 1971)

----The 1971 Esquire Magazine article which told the world about phone phreaking got Draper in hot water. Draper was arrested on toll fraud charges in 1972 and sentenced to five years' probation.

The media and big business publicized and vamped it - now you can go to prison for having the a blue box or whatever box having never used it. Why? Because it was a hot button issue in the '70's and the fallout still exists today and I can tell you that the members of the hacking community still have to deal with the legislation and laws that have been made and introduced because of these "hot button" issues. Now it is the children, terrorism, privacy, etc. Next year it will be more of the same or new issues or old issues with new names.

The point is this is a forum and here we can exchange ideas. Yes Deltar revived an old thread and could have been more tactful but your comments and ongoing posts are just plain wrong.

Now that you are in through the door and sitting in a chair I am going to take the "stupid bat" to your head. How idiotic do you have to be to make the comment:

Seriously though, it's an ancient thread and nobody cares. Also, "To Catch A Predator" is funnier than many comedy shows I've seen.

Yeah it is funny and haha but if To Catch a Predator is in 1 city how many kids in the rest of the US are being molested, kidnapped, and so on. How many of those are using hacking techniques to get more information on their potential targets. How many of them are associated with the hacking community. I don't know and I am sure that you don't know. But to say that 40 year old men trying to have sex with 12-15 year old kids is funny while that same thing happening to other kids all over the country. If I had a 12 year old sister and you made that comment to me and we were standing in the same room I might punch you in the face.

Fear of whatever... is such a strong motivation it can make practically anything happen. I would wager that there are more parents with kids in the US then there are hackers. So take your stupid comment put it in your pocket and step back out through the door.

In long winded conclusion, Deltar I have no answer for your original question but I feel that given the state of the legislative agenda currently hackers and computer power users may see a hit if some of these crappy bills get passed. I don't really see any way to stop people from using freely available techniques and information to do nefarious things. Whether it is thieves, crackers, kidnappers, or child molesters. I think that they will get more sophisticated as time goes on I think that they will use encryption to hide their stuff, I think that they will use darknets to trade their crap, and I think that they will use hacking as a method to obtain and obfuscate their methods.

We can not stop it and I also think that it is not a bad topic for discussion and even though it deals with hacking somewhat indirectly I would have posted it in Off-Topic.

That's my quantum $.02 - which now adds up to $234 million 654 thousand 978 hundred dollars and 2 cents.

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Yeah, I know its an old thread. That's why I used it to show that the topic is fresh in the news again.

You do realize that the news article that you linked to is from 1998?

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HAHAHHAAHAHAH

:blink:

I didn't catch that!

'98 was a good year though...... I think they had computers back then. (maybe just calculators and electric typewriters) :P

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