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Sex in games worries makers

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It seems that corporations are now trying to stop dissemination of information. Are they joking? And yes, I have the hot coffee mod for Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas being shared on p2p.

By Anthony Breznican, USA TODAY Wed Jul 27, 6:49 AM ET

Video game makers are facing a bare fact: If a hacker wants to take the clothes off a digital character, there is little anyone can do stop it.

Game makers are reflecting on this conundrum following the uproar over an explicit sex scene recently discovered in the popular crime video game Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas. That revelation - and Rockstar Games' acknowledgement that the scenes were built into the game - pushed GTA's industry-approved rating from M for mature to AO for adults only and severely curtailed the number of retail outlets that will sell it.

It also angered Congress, which asked the Federal Trade Commission to investigate the marketing of the game. Rockstar is focusing on producing new versions of the game without the sex scene, spokesman Rodney Walker said Tuesday, and not actively pursuing the person who wrote the code.

Other interactive games sold without sexual content can be modified to add nudity and sex, but the user must add it deliberately. And game makers say there's little they can do to stop it.

It's akin to using the computer program Photoshop to make a photograph of a celebrity appear naked, but with games it's accomplished through the manipulation of computer code and sometimes the alteration of hardware consoles like the

Xbox or

PlayStation 2.

In the case of The Sims 2, the popular "real life" simulator from Electronic Arts that operates like a digital dollhouse, a pixilated blur appears over a digital person who strips down to, say, take a bath.

Any gamer who'd like to peek beneath the blur can erase it by typing in a code - widely available online - that causes a glitch in the system. That glitch reveals the naked shape of the Sim in all its detail-less glory; the characters have the shape of a man or woman, but no anatomical detail.

By Paul Sakuma, AP

Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas had its rating changed to adults only after a sex scene was found to be hidden inside the game.

And there are Web sites - not affiliated with game publisher EA - that allow gamers to create nude Sim characters with private parts.

Sims 2 is rated T for teen, and if such independent additions push it into the territory of adults only, it's being done without the sanction of EA, says company spokesman Jeff Brown.

"People buy it and they bring it home, and what they choose to do with it at their home is not only beyond our control, but not something we would presume to control," he says. "The consumer needs to choose to download this (sexual) content. This stuff is just not in the game (originally)."

Some game companies have sued to prevent hackers from spreading the word on how to add sex to a game.

Tecmo Inc., which released the M-rated babes-in-bikinis game Dead or Alive: Xtreme Beach Volleyball, filed a lawsuit in January that shut down fan Web site NinjaHacker.net for explaining how to alter a code that made the buxom characters appear nude.

John Inada, general manager of Tecmo, acknowledges the company can't stop people with the know-how from making the modification, but it can try to restrict the dissemination of the instructions.

"When we filed complaints against them, the mod community wasn't very happy," he says, referring to the online group of game hackers who modify existing games. "They had their own argument that it was up to them to do whatever they wanted."

Inada argues that the difference between EA's The Sims 2 and his Dead or Alive volleyball women is that his characters have a predetermined look and back story and are not created by the gamer.

The characters are digital spokesmodels for the game, and their images must be protected, he says.

"If you're the agent of a superstar, you're not going to send her to an adult film session. We treat them like living human beings," Inada says. "But if the name of the game is creating your own characters and customizing your own character, I can see why we wouldn't actively pursue legal action against people who do that."

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Ya that is a bunch of bull shit. What I want to know is how in the hell does one mod the game to watch the so called explicit sex scenes? ( Googling..)

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I am not sure, it's supposed to be kind of tricky. I bypassed modding and just hit up the p2p, it's nuthin special.

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I am not sure, it's supposed to be kind of tricky. I bypassed modding and just hit up the p2p, it's nuthin special.

I saw the video of it as well and I believe I've seen worse in games.

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I tried the hot coffee mod, and it isn't that great, it's pretty boring. Just searching any p2p network or google will return more pr0n than in the dumb mod.

In the game you can "kill" fake people (AI characters) by the dozens, knife old ladies to death, and steal things from people, run from the cops, be a full-out hardened cold-blooded criminal, and the thing that turns it into AO is the little pathetic sex-scene that you can't even see unless you download the hot coffee mod.

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I too, can take a children game and edit some spicy dialogue into it. Will that make that game rated Adults only?

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I don't get this society. Anyone can go into google and type some sex or porn or boobs or w/e and get a shit load of porn, so why are people so worried about the hot coffee mod?! The game was made for MATURE audience (17+). Well, i believe that if you are 17 and have not seen pr0n that there is something wrong with you (or that you grew up in a cage somewhere....). The fact that people are getting so worried about children getting a hold of this game just proves that the stores were not selling it to people who were 17 years old or older...so why should the company who made the game, for MATURE audicence, have to suffer just because people were not following the rules and selling it for young children.

Quite frankly, I believe that its a bit too late for the game to be taken off the market, or having the rating changed, because there have been 6million copies sold, and you can just look for the game on ANY p2p network, and find it. If you want to see the hot coffee mod, you can, no matter if rockstart pulls the game, remakes it, and starts selling it again! Like Stank said, "You can't put the shit back in the horse"

I think that this is all just bullshit and that if you want to keep your children away from pr0n, you should lock 'em up in a cave, in a galxy far far away!

Just my 2 cents on this issue!

+Cypress

(sorry for any spelling mistakes, as it is late, and i am tired)

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BREAKING NEWS:

Sex in the privacy of one's home found to be scandalous and defiling to all parties involved.  Authorities are requesting individuals go out and track down those who are having sex and turn them in as these persons are "terrorists" of the highest degree.

I bet that'll be on the news soon enough.

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The characters are digital spokesmodels for the game, and their images must be protected, he says.

:pissed: Okay im fuming at this but ill keep it as civil as humanly possible.

I go to a store either online or in person, and give the cashier $40 for a piece of software for use on a console that i own. I believe that's what is normally referred to as "PURCHASING" the game or intellectual property.

Did i pay $40 bucks just to rent the game for a short while and then return it to the manufacturer........FUCK NO!!!!! :nono:

I paid for a game i spent money to "OWN" a piece of intellectual property. Once it is in my posession i can do whatever i want with it, from using it to scrape the $hitty crust on a cats a$$hole, to breaking it into sharp shards for vivisecting pidgeons, to to using it to set up lines of coke for my 6 year old sister to snort, :omfg: to tweaking the code to make it seem as though the situations or scenario's found in the game are viewed in a manner completely unintended by the manufacturer's and programmer's.

I should be able to do anything.......With the obvious exception redistributing the modified version to the public, either for free or at the reasonable price of $19.95!

So to all the software companies that want this overbearing control over an item that they no longer own, and have been financially compensated for the loss of.....

YOU ALL CAN KISS MY HAIRY ASS, WITH YOUR TONGUES STICKING OUT!!!

:o

Sorry about that i sort of Spazzed out there for a bit, but im all better now. -_-

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Monster's Ball: Rated ®

R= 17 or older

What happened in Monster's Ball?

Hallie Berry got t3h buttsex'd by Billy Bob Thornton.

NO!

MAKE IT XXX RATED!!

And we teach sex ed to 5'th graders...

The problem for San Andreas: It was built into the game, but only unlockable by the mod, so the content was made by Rockstar.

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Total Crap. ever play Phantasmagoria? or how about metal and lace?!?!?

How about max payne2 There's naked codes in all those games.

Also you have to remember that the ESRB is not a government body. It is a non-profit org and following there rules and regulations is totally voluntary.

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Total Crap. ever play Phantasmagoria? or how about metal and lace?!?!?

How about max payne2 There's naked codes in all those games.

Also you have to remember that the ESRB is not a government body. It is a non-profit org and following there rules and regulations is totally voluntary.

I was talking about this statment with people in my office and I actualy did some checking. This is an exerpt from the esrb faq page.

" How is the rating system enforced?

Ratings

As the game industry’s self-regulatory body, ESRB is responsible for the enforcement of its rating system. Every publisher of a game rated by the ESRB is legally bound to disclose all pertinent content when submitting the game for an ESRB rating. After a game is publicly released, ESRB testers review the final product to ensure that all pertinent content was fully disclosed. In the event that material that would have affected the assignment of a rating or content descriptor is found to have not been disclosed, the ESRB is empowered to compel corrective actions and impose a wide range of sanctions, including monetary fines. Corrective actions can include pulling advertising until ratings information can be corrected, re-stickering packaging with correct ratings information, recalling the product, and other steps the publisher must take. "

You can read more here.

http://www.esrb.org/esrbratings_faqs.asp#9

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A lot of R-rated movies have sex scenes and/or nudity in them. R-rating for movies equals M-rated for games. Therefore it is ok to have sex scenes and/or nudity in games with the M-rating.

From the ESRB website: "Titles rated M (Mature) have content that may be suitable for persons ages 17 and older. Titles in this category may contain intense violence, blood and gore, sexual content, and/or strong language." I always thought the "sexual content" meant content that was sexual, like the hot coffee mod.

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hmm, in germany games are banned for too much violence or other content. But as soon as it becomes banned, it becomes a must-have item for teenagers :P I bet that Rockstar put that in there on purpose. As a marketing trick. It wouldn't surprise me if they actually put the patch out there themselves, as soon as sales started to go down.

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A lot of R-rated movies have sex scenes and/or nudity in them. R-rating for movies equals M-rated for games. Therefore it is ok to have sex scenes and/or nudity in games with the M-rating.

From the ESRB website: "Titles rated M (Mature) have content that may be suitable for persons ages 17 and older. Titles in this category may contain intense violence, blood and gore, sexual content, and/or strong language." I always thought the "sexual content" meant content that was sexual, like the hot coffee mod.

Good call FreeMan To technicaly the only "crime thaty comitted was withholding sexual content wich would have had no effect on the games rating at all." Unless it's graphic sex. Like some chick guzzling g1z or somthing and even then ..... It's a freaking low polygon

game anyway!

How graphic can you get with a 950 polly limit per character?

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hmm, in germany games are banned for too much violence or other content. But as soon as it becomes banned, it becomes a must-have item for teenagers :P  I bet that Rockstar put that in there on purpose. As a marketing trick. It wouldn't surprise me if they actually put the patch out there themselves, as soon as sales started to go down.

No conspiracy theories please. One engineer just got a little too excited and put the scenes in there and now that someone found those and exploited it that guy is no longer an employee of Rockstar.

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whatever it's just a bunch of BS i forget who said it but if you haven't seen a pr0n by 17 there is somthing wrong with you.

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All I have to say is this...

Killing old women with bazookas and setting things on fire is illegal, is it not? But, it is allowed in GTA: San Andreas with a M rating.

Having sex and looking at porn is fully legal, right? So it's not allowed in games like GTA:San Andreas?

Some people need to wake up and smell the coffee (no pun intended). If I were a parent, I would be more concerned about people being killed everywhere than interactive sex scenes!

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The real issue is that it was hidden. It made alot of retailers look foolish. I know this is not the first time developers have hidden sexual or racist material in games and software.

Parents will let children goto a violent movie. If there is any nudity or sex it is another issue. This is an unbalance in American society.

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< :cuss: >

Let's just keep fighting our failed pursuit of terrorists, worrying about videogames corrupting our youth all the while.

Fuck the media. If I didn't have a TV, I wouldn't have heard about this shit thousands of times already.

And FUCK Hillary Clinton, especially. Tipper Gore, too.

</ :cuss: >

Even this article is wrong. The sexual part of the game was always buried in there, for some stupid reason. And some guy unlocked access to it. Rockstar could have exercised common sense and just not put that stuff in there. But of course all news sources skip on that small, unimportant fact.

The issue here isn't the ability for people to include sexual stuff in games, but that in this case, the sexual conent was actually buried in the game.

And again, big fucking deal, because you need to want the mod to even access it. You need to go out, google it, download it, and apply it.

The game in its original form is not AO. So why is that it's rating?

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This is a war based on misinformation.

Let's look at who is who.

On the one side, we have the Jack Thompsons, the Hilary Clintons, the FOXs' of the world. People who snowball misinformation with respect to games. They start off with a bit of misunderstanding, and each espouse upon the situation with further misinformation to make a small issue rather large. These are all people against video games; and all people that have never even played video games. In other words: their [real] credibility is zero. How can one critisize a piece of art without seeing it?!

Unfortunately, the [perceived] credibility of these mediapeople is rather high on the other hand, as they are just that... media people. And media brings credibility to people, whether they be wrong or not. In other words: people believe this crap because its on TV.

Now on the other side, we have gamers. People who have at least seen the games under discussion, and who have different views. Now if I wanted a balanced opinion on an issue - who should I believe more? The people blasting an artpiece they haven't even seen? Or the people critisizing an artpiece they've seen in depth?

Such is the state of videogames. I honestly blame it on the generational gap. Older folk looking for escape goats. Or media attention.

They found a perfect escape goat - videogames. Why? Because older people are too disconnected to understand what they really are. So older people are likely to fall for this propagandistic mess. And kids? Their opinions? Well it doesn't matter, as most teens cannot vote.

**Oops - posted from wrong account. Hey in case you didn't figure it out:

Seal = w00t...

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Please, don't even try to tell me, that the humanity isn't hypocritic.

-What are you playing, Jimmy?

-It's a gangsta game, where you can distribute drugs, kill little rabbits with bazookas, and smash grannies with steam roller.

-OK, but don't forget to do your homework.

-What are you playing, Jimmy?

-It's a simulator of nudist beach...

-WHAT?!!!!eleven TURN OFF THE COMPUTER!!!!!!!!! YOU'RE GOUNDED!!!!!!!ONEONEONEELEVEN

BTW: In WoW you can undress the chars too:

http://wow.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum...435331&num=1412

And if they're gonna sue Blizzard, than I will probably rip my head off with a rusty rakes...

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I use my Samsung LCD to watch porn and Kleenex to clean up afterwards. Does this mean that Samsung and Kleenex can litigate against me for misusing their products for "obscene" things?

And what about hentai? If I drew a naked Princess Peach, would Nintendo target me for misusing their character?

They can't do anything. It's absurdity. I bought the game; I can hack it.

San Andreas is one big mess of obscenity and violence. Sex doesn't change anything.

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