Strom Carlson

New ANI II readback number

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Ah, it makes sense now.

This is pretty sweet.

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Is this really ANI? I used 10102880 on my pots line and it read back: 00 303-537-0045. Thats not my number.

Well since this is going from different provider to provider(QWEST/Telus) Im not sure.

To read real ANI it would have to been called from within the same platform,when you cross platforms it will read what it thinks is the ANI if the ANI is a fail and your passing a calling party number.So the CPN will be used as the ANI (charge number) however Im not sure if in the "ANI fields" the CPN is placed there.BUt CPN is being treated as ANI if there is a fail behind your CPN when crossing platforms.PEace/

Ill have the complete routing of this number in a little while, Im busy putting the PHX PBX Personal Phreaknic Playground back up right now W00t!

Also Strom (yo man) you think the routing of this number has anything to do with why its passing 00 for some voip calls and for some mobile calls?

Also does anyone else think its really fucking odd that this shit has so much overage?Its an ANAC and its being treated as though its a line for American idol or something.

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Just because it's voip, doesn't mean it can't pass 00.

Vonage has been passing 00 for a long time now. In March 2004, Vonage changed tos some new asterisk ld network (that really uses global crossing). Since then they always now have 23

The same thing with VoicePulse... they had 23 when they use to use AT&T (and had no ANI at all btw.) When they used froggytel or whatever it was, it was 00...and now they're 23 again using some asterisk ld network that NuFone also uses.

II Digits with VOIP and GSM providers are not always going to be the same. Espically with VoIP equipment. There's also no class of service for VoIP. You have to remember something. VoIP is not a telephone!! It's a system that lets you access the PSTN. A virtual telephone if you will. VoIP will never have a real ANI, unless they fake it. Same reason why currently it doesn't have its own II digits.

VoIP = a computer...that talks to a real phone network.

ANI always passes along no matter what you call (unless you divert through an operator) If you divert or send no ANI somehow, then certain things could happen. You really shouldn't be testing ANI with any voip carrier. A voip service could be using a different server/line/whatever whenever they want. Depends on the time, traffic, destination.

Remember...

VoIP is not a phone. A cell phone is not a phone. A cordless phone is not a phone. A telephone is a phone.

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Remember...

VoIP is not a phone.  A cell phone is not a phone.  A cordless phone is not a phone.  A telephone is a phone.

i know this has been said before but i'm just tossing it into the mix.

All these do is just access the PSTN. fake phones i tell you. fake phones :nono:

:wub: copper :wub:

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To read real ANI it would have to been called from within the same platform,when you cross platforms it will read what it thinks is the ANI if the ANI is a fail and your passing a calling party number.So the CPN will be used as the ANI (charge number) however Im not sure if in the "ANI fields" the CPN is placed there.

This seems dubious to me, but in the course of searching for whether this is the correct explanation or not, I got sidetracked onto another question. CPN is carried in the ISUP, but is BTN there too? I'm not sure where else the BTN would reside. /me looks at Strom

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To read real ANI it would have to been called from within the same platform,when you cross platforms it will read what it thinks is the ANI if the ANI is a fail and your passing a calling party number.So the CPN will be used as the ANI (charge number) however Im not sure if in the "ANI fields" the CPN is placed there.

This seems dubious to me, but in the course of searching for whether this is the correct explanation or not, I got sidetracked onto another question. CPN is carried in the ISUP, but is BTN there too? I'm not sure where else the BTN would reside. /me looks at Strom

Oh yes; this is, for the most part, completely ISUP that we're discussing. I don't remember all the possible locations for number delivery in the IAM (definitely includes cpn and charge number as well as one or two others), but once I find my copies of the ITU-T specs, I'll go through and post here.

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Also Strom (yo man) you think the routing of this number has anything to do with why its passing 00 for some voip calls and for some mobile calls?

The only requirement for II digits of "00" is that the call be "non-coin service requiring no special treatment." Technically, this is supposed to only be POTS, but there's no reason why voip and mobile calls can't use this pair as well.

Also does anyone else think its really fucking odd that this shit has so much overage?Its an ANAC and its being treated as though its a line for American idol or something.

I'm going to give you exactly one hint, and it's that you're missing the forest for the trees.

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The only requirement for II digits of "00" is that the call be "non-coin service requiring no special treatment." Technically, this is supposed to only be POTS, but there's no reason why voip and mobile calls can't use this pair as well.

THANK YOU! I am so glad you exist on these forums!

The only use for II digits is really for payphone surcharges.

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The only requirement for II digits of "00" is that the call be "non-coin service requiring no special treatment." Technically, this is supposed to only be POTS, but there's no reason why voip and mobile calls can't use this pair as well.

THANK YOU! I am so glad you exist on these forums!

The only use for II digits is really for payphone surcharges.

Well, not only for payphones - there's use for identifying hotel phones, mobile phones, and the like, but yes, the primary use for these is to make sure that the correct charges are applied in the correct situation.

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Right and hotel phones. But i've never seen once why it would even be needed for billing cell phones. I mean tellme doesn't greet you differently if you call from a cell phone, so that's the only thing nifty i would see with it.

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Right and hotel phones. But i've never seen once why it would even be needed for billing cell phones. I mean tellme doesn't greet you differently if you call from a cell phone, so that's the only thing nifty i would see with it.

With hotels and such thats why there is a "Lead number" sent along in ss7.

I did find out why mobile phones are passing 00 for pots instead of 61,62 or 63 (typicaly 63)

The reason is alot of cellphone providers are passing tollcalls along to CLEC's and routing the calls out of their facilities hense why its passing 00 as the ANI II digits.

I thought you guys might want to know this.Its very intresting.

And Strom you sneeky devil you hehe,Good Job BTW>

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alot of cellphone providers are passing tollcalls along to CLEC's and routing the calls out of their facilities hense why its passing 00 as the ANI II digits

Why would the CLEC change the II pair though?

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alot of cellphone providers are passing tollcalls along to CLEC's and routing the calls out of their facilities hense why its passing 00 as the ANI II digits

Why would the CLEC change the II pair though?

Yeah, I seriously doubt the CLEC really would have a decent reason for changing the II pair unless their circuits were misprovisioned or their equipment was misconfigured somehow.

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Maybe it's just how it works. Look at those CLEC dialtones that pass your CPN, but their BTN, and their II digits.

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Maybe it's just how it works. Look at those CLEC dialtones that pass your CPN, but their BTN, and their II digits.

Yeah thats right.But I was told that AT&T will see when ppl call from mobile phones another ANI and the CPN.Which Im thinking is what is happening there.Latez Not all do this though.

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I was told that AT&T will see when ppl call from mobile phones another ANI and the CPN.

huh? :huh:

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I was told that AT&T will see when ppl call from mobile phones another ANI and the CPN.

huh? :huh:

Like when a person calls 800callatt they will see in some cases 2 different numbers.I was told by the District Manager over there thats its just the ANI for whatever CLEC that passed along the call but it never ever changes the Charge number,.Which is kinda weird to me that the ANI can be there but not be the charge number,.Which I believe theres like 4 different numbers sent thru ss7.

BTW FUCKING WaY.Can't we Capture data being sent thru SS7?So we can look at whats really going on,Whats really being sent?Just a thought/Peace.

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um, ok...hint 1: you can't use pronouns to refer to nouns you haven't mentioned yet. I have a vague idea of what you're talking about but I'm still really not sure what you mean.

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um, ok...hint 1: you can't use pronouns to refer to nouns you haven't mentioned yet. I have a vague idea of what you're talking about but I'm still really not sure what you mean.

Well this isnt an afternoon special so I could really give a shit;

/me sings "Im just a bill on capital hill"

In the situations where the CLEC;s are passing the tollcalls on, their passing their ANI along with your CPN but their ANI is never the Charge number & that my friend is where I get confused.ANI is supposed to be the Charge number(except in those cases where if you ANIFAIL behind your CPN and cross platforms your CPN becomes the Charge number.)The CPN isnt orginating the call but is charged.So something else is going on here.late.

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Whenever I call this number, I get a reorder. I tried it from my landline, AT&T, and from a local outdial, and I keep getting a reorder...

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are you dialing direct, or are you dialing nonsense before 1-877...?

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I tried it multiple ways.... Direct, diverting through AT&T, etc...

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