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This morning I coded something that I KNOW will make me some money, but what it does goes against everything I stand for, and Im not sure if I should finish it or not.

I started the code in question as a test of my abilities, to see if I really could do it and make it work, to see if I was that good.. turnes out not only am I that good, but it works better then I thought it would, and can be used to make lots of money.

The problem is Im not sure about how it goes with my morals; Its not illegal or anything, in fact its highly legal and supported under several laws, so I have nothing to fear there, but what it does still goes against everything I have stood for, and I am cought between the need for money to pay my bills and take care of my needs, and my own high ethical standards.

I have never been rich, in fact Im a pretty poor guy who lives by what little he can get and always has; The thought of havng a nice source of income sounds nice, but going against my ethics is a high price, and I dont know what to do.. I need the money badly, but I dont want to sell myself in getting it.. so please, tell me what you would do.

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too vague...if it is not illegal, then it is your moral decision to make against YOUR morals. not ours.

For us to apply our morals, as you are asking, we would have to hear what the "project" is and why you think it is morally wrong.

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Well I dont want to give out too much info, however it means going against some long standing ideals I have held with the highest regard.. how would you react in such a instance?

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well, if it meant going against something you so strongly believe in, then I suggest no to do it, there is always more money and oportunnities around the corner............are you sure you cant say, some of us might be curious.............

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I would have to say, if you chose your moral standards over giving into easy, unethical money - that would be a pretty noble thing to do IMHO.

However, if whatever the ethical qualm is is something minor and is getting in the way of your own survival (depending on your actual financial situation), then I think it's wrong to say no to an opprotunity to legally make money.

Then again, maybe this ethical standard is worth dying for and making some money by breaking it really isn't worth it?

It is a tough decision, but unfortunately it's one only you can make based on weighing the pro's and con's of the situaion. I hope the questions and opinions I've posed are of some help to you. Good luck!

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if its legal man i'd say do it... you need the money go for it... if its not illegal then go for it. then again my morals are alot different then everyone elses.

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I did allot of thinking about it yesterday as I tried to code on a bunch of other stuff... the problem was I kept finding myself working on code for the thing while in other projects IDE's.. So sat down for a sec and REALLY thought about it, and this is wat I came up with:

I need the money badly, but I can easly live with makign less from it, as long as I can pay my bills, Im happy.

Its not that I dont like the idea of what it does, its that Its too powerful at doing what it does and can be used too easly for unethical uses.

I would rather be helping people affected by the code who didnt want to be.

So here is what I figured out:

I will be finishing it, BUT I will be TAKING OUT parts of the code I belive to be against my ethical standards, as well as limiting the power of it by changing (read: breaking) the code in some places.. even though the means the possibility of be either makign a much smaller amount of money off of it or me even not getting any at all.

I will be including a database for the code to use that will render the code usless due to it being TOO compatible with all current laws.. and make it so the code MUST use THAT database to function.. so that the people that would use this code in a unethical manner not only get EXACTLY what they are paying for, but also waste there resources so they can not function and will not have the resources to expand there buisness on there unethical use of my code or what it does.

In the end this will keep my code used only for ethical uses if its used at all, will make me money, and will take resources away from the people who would abuse my code so that they can not be unethical without my code... in a 110% legal manner.

So in the end I may even make a few bucks, give the unethical people out there with money a taste of there own meds, and be in 100% compliance with my own high ethical standards... and I get to be evil in a way that helps people :wub:

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After all this discussion, be sure to let us know what it was when all is said and done!

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I am lost. I agree with Nick... let us know what it is when it's all over.

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I hope it involves porn

MMMmmmmmm.....pr0n........

:jawa: :jawa: :jawa:

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I hope it involves porn

well you can make alot of money with porn and he did say that if he took something out of the code that it would make less to no money

so i has to be pr0n!!!

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hell, nobody can starve if there is porn to be messed with.....

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Basicly it involves spamming in a entirly more efficiant manner, faster, harder, longer... without breaking a single law as technicaly the spam gome from the host that gets it..

The entire reason for this post was simple: I was in distress becouse I had figured out a way to do something that would make me allot of money if I used it or sold the tech.. but it went against all my ethics to spam in any way/sort/form.. for a good couple hours I was stressed, tired, shaking, and feeling outright sick.. till my brillent mind found a way to use it to fight spam while making the spammers use there resources to do it, paying me for the privalidge to spam themselves only.. *evil grin*

From that piont on I was able to finish the code, compile it, and sell a binary to somone I can not name due to nda.... but I can say Im able to pay my bils this month, and this person is NOT happy with me and is even madder that he cant sue me or anything as technicaly he got exactly what he paid for, as such he can not do crap but take the lose.. the fun thing is that under the contract of sale I drew up he cant tell anyone else about his lose of the "effectivness of the product"... or I get to sue him.

Thank you for your ideas, one and all.. sometimes as a human I just need advice, and sometimes as a evil little shit I just need to be a evil little bitch that somehow finds a way to do good while pissing "bad people" off.. this was just one of the times I got to do both, thank you. :D

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this person is NOT happy with me and is even madder that he cant sue me or anything as technicaly he got exactly what he paid for

Do I understand what your saying correctly, you gave this person non/part working code?

That sounds unethical to me.

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nope, it makes the system/socket calls and everything as needed/described, but to be in full comliance with the current spam laws (spamlaws.com) it will only send msgs to internal networks, subnetted ips. I wouldnt want to break the law, that would be unethical. If I hadnt coded it like that I would have been in danger of breaking the current laws.. and that would have been wrong.. :D:ninja:

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So you created a method that allows the spammers to only spam themselves? I'm having a little trouble wading through this...

And if you created such an effective manner of deterring spammers why didn't you go public with the source? If more people were involved not only would they contribute to the code they would almost certainly make donations to help both yourself and project. The one time payment would have had to be a hefty one...

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I've got to call you out on this one. First of all.....Spammers spam themselves? I don't get it.

only spam subnetted IP's??

what type of spam? WTF are u talking about?

Not to piss you off,

I just don't understand what you are talking about.

Why would any spammer pay money to spam themselves?

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I had to code this in VB due to the being on the lappy (still am.. the vmware box bombed), but basicly I would consider net sends as spam.. wouldnd you?

You get it now?

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