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  1. How is an ad hominen attack that distracts away from the fact he has no real counterargument "utter, utter pwnage"? I can be unnecessarily wordy and use too many commas too. So 4 or 5 people constitute an entire forum? I don't understand the vehemence with which a few people, in particularly whatchout are trying to disregard this. You refuse to look into it at all. I would have liked it if this had stayed more civil and not turned into the shouting match and battle for dominance it has become. So ok, you "win". Simply because I don't feel like continuing the discussion in the face of this irrational hostility and will stop. But know that the little boost you get to your ego from this was made possible by your lack of open mindedness, lack of genuine curiosity, and willingness to stay ignorant in order to look right. If you do have some real curiosity and open mindedness in you, some "hacker spirit" if you will, then maybe in a few days when your egos not on the line anymore you'll want to look into it, and you actually will go to the library or seek out info that would contradict you. Or search more online about it. Ok now, with that said you can once again resume your insults and attacks against me. I will not attempt to challenge your beliefs about this anymore.
  2. You apparently skimmed the part where I pointed out that the fields close to a lot of electronic devices going at once are the same strength as ones 500 or so feet away from high voltage power lines like the dogs were. See, EM fields drop off rapidly from the source, and being feet away from a weaker field is the same as being 500 feet away from a stronger one. You can test this using a guassmeter. Go near power lines and measure the field, then come home and measure the field next to various electronic devices. They do not require it, but some books do these things anyway on their own. To do this they put a detailed list of sources and references in the back to show where they are getting their information. This is what the books I recommend on the subject have. Yes, perhaps my HERF gun comment was foolish. It was mainly made to make people see when a florescent light bulb lights up on its own there is some kind of strong, dangerous, EM radiation making it do so. As you would have seen if you had read the thread people were trying to dispute this. However, the rest of my comparisons were not so extreme. Do you consider high voltage power lines devices "for the sole purpose of efficiently converting electricity into EM radiation"? No, of course not. Most people here would not dispute the cancer risk of living underneath power lines, and as I've pointed out, the field strength directly underneath HVP lines is equivalent to the field strength a few feet away from a lot of personal electronic equipment, as can be verified with a guassmeter. So... And as for you last paragraph, I can only say that being unnecessarily wordy and verbose does not equal intelligence or add any humor to your jokes, and it doesn't make you right.
  3. If anyone thinks EMFs that cause florescent bulbs to light up aren't dangerous check this out that's a video of a HERF gun you can build yourself. So if you think that isn't a sign of danger build one of those and point it at your head every night while you sleep.
  4. Whatever kind of evidence you consider it, a man running a dog kennel under powerlines, that you have footage of the kennel right next to the powerlines so you know this isn't made up, saying that 11 of his dogs got cancer has to count for something. Again, I only linked to the video because WhatChout said he would not do ANY experiments on his own about it unless I gave him some form of evidence that it could happen. I thought the video counted as some form of evidence. That's just me. Like I said I don't feel like doing online research for you. I just don't feel like using google right now and going through all the links. Especially when you are going to disregard everything I post because this has become about you proving to yourself and others that you're right. Again, you can find several books about the danger of EMF and the cover-up by utility companies in your public library, they all have meticulous list of references in the back. That's assuming, of course, that you actually want to find out about this and your objective isn't just to be automatically right and boost your ego.
  5. How does that prove any danger? Unless you count cool glowing-without-being-plugged-in effect as danger... Oh fuck, I was putting CFLs next to my plasma ball to make it light them up just for the glowing-without-being-plugged-in effect. Guess I've got the cancerz. I love how you guys just focused on that and ignored the dog kennel. But of course "only eleven" of his dogs got cancer so that's not evidence!
  6. I never said evolution and global warming weren't real. Can you read? I said the way organizations try to deny risks of EM fields is similar to how they deny global warming and evolution. Using the same rhetoric "the jury is still out".
  7. I'm telling you, if you want concrete evidence go to the library. I don't feel like researching stuff online for you and getting you real studies as opposed to the ones sponsored by the utility companies. I already found the video for you and you just disregarded it so that's all I'm going to do. I don't care that much about proving my point. I came into this discussion under the assumption that you had a hacker mindset and that you were genuinely curious and objective about learning. That's why I was having this conversation with you. However, you apparently just want to win an online argument for your ego and aren't really interested in learning. Hence your absolute refusal to go to a library or seek out anything that would prove you wrong.
  8. Ok, not all. Just eleven. But I showed this to you because you said that you wouldn't try the experiment yourself without evidence that it might happen. Although this video does not 100% prove it beyond any shadow of a doubt, I think it provides more than enough evidence for you to do an experiment on your own. There is a ton of misinformation on this topic, because as I said, the ultility companies do not want to have to spend trillions of dollars moving, burying, and shielding these lines. If you want a source go to your library, they should have several books on this issue, all meticulously documented and referencing their sources. Did you notice how in the video the people who were trying to defend the power lines were using the phrase "the jury is still out"? That's a phrase you hear a lot whenever well-funded and powerful organizations are trying to cover up some inconvenient scientific fact. You hear it with evolution and global warming too.
  9. Please pay more attention. It's nothing to do with lower, the earths EM field is a different wavelength. It's just like we've evolved to live in this particular atmosphere. It's got oxygen but also a lot of other gases in various amounts. If you changed this a little, and say added sulpher, then we would not have evolved for it and it would damage our health. The same thing with the Earths EM field. Ok, some guy already did it. He had a dog kennel under the lines and all the dogs got cancer. As was documented in this video:
  10. If you want a source go to your local library. Go to the section on toxins/pollution and there should be several books about it. I was reading one book a while ago that did case studies for houses near power lines. Some of the stories were very sad. Like this one 18 year old girl who was a star basketball player and got a brain tumor that left her blind. She was part of a cancer cluster caused by EM exposure. I'm not paranoid, I'm very scientific minded and objective. I've always been fascinated by the EM spectrum and the things you can do with it, one day I started looking into EM fields more and found out about the health risks and cover ups. From everything I've read and have also seen from personal experience I can say with 100% certainty that they are very dangerous and there is a cover up.
  11. No, I'm saying if you have several computers, monitors, TVs, and other devices in a cramped little room and you're sitting in the center of it for hours a day then you're at risk for cancer.
  12. To answer your question magnetic fields and electromagnetic fields are different. A magnet can produce an electric charge but not an EM field under normal circumstances. We've evolved to live in the earths distinct electromagnetic field, with it's own particular wavelength, for billions of years. We have not evolved to live in the kinds of EM fields produced by modern electronics. For anyone doubting the potency or danger of EMFs try this - if you go under high voltage power lines and point a florescent light bulb at it it will light up on it's own. Also, there are several stories of people growing gardens in the sunny areas underneath high voltage powerlines, and always the vegetables are malformed and have tumors. Try this additional experiment if you still don't believe me, build a dog kennel under high voltage lines and see how many of the dogs get cancer within a year. Most of them will. I'm not some some conspiracy theorist or luddite who hates technology. It's just that with EMFs this is one thing where there is a major cover up and I like for the truth to be known about it.
  13. You're absolutely right. One is a carrier of electricity for mass use, and the other is user of electricity for the individual. However when it comes to their EM fields the risk is somewhat similar due to the comparative distances. EM fields drop off rapidly from the source. The electricians are not right near lines most of the time, just from being within 1000 feet of one is a cancer risk. (This is why schools and neighborhoods near high voltage lines tend to have cancer clusters.) Yet the owner of this room is right near the appliances. So although the strength is different the distances even things out. Any EM field over 1.5 milligauss poses a significant cancer risk. This is why people should avoid electric cars, as electric motors are one of the biggest producers of EMFs, and riding in an electric or hybrid car - being inches away from that motor - everyday for hours is not something I would want myself or my family doing. I predict that as these cars get more popular we're going to see a noticeable spike in cancer again. (I say "again" because the cancer rates already more than doubled when electricity became widespread to begin with)
  14. To my knowledge, appropriate use of appliances will result in safely irrelevant exposure to electromagnetic radiation. It's a moot point anyway. I don't consider sitting in a small cramped room with several computers, TVs, and other devices going an "appropriate use of appliances". My parents have an extremely old TV with only an RF input. They wanted to hook it up to a DVD player and I had to get an RF modulator. The EM field from the TV was so strong that it almost completely wiped out the signal, I had to use an emergency blanket (basically laminated tinfoil which blocks EM radiation) to wrap around and insulate the RF modulators cables, after that the signal came across perfectly clear. This just goes to show that EM fields are real, they have noticeable effects, and maybe there's something to that whole "tin foil hat" thing after all. Did you know electricians working around high voltage power lines for years die of cancer twice as often as the general population? EM fields cause cancer there is no doubt, it's actually interesting if you read the history of it, there's been a tremendous amount of money spent by the utility companies trying to cover it up. They do this because it would cost even more for them to actually make powerlines safe by burying them in special insulated tunnels in the ground.
  15. Probably zero, since emissions are close to zero in almost every piece of home electronics. Wrong bozo. The EM fields generated by electronic appliances, in particular cathode ray tubes, are VERY strong. They drop away rapidly from the source but that's not the same thing as "emissions are close to zero" anything within one and a half feet or so of a TV, monitor, or most other electronic appliances will be within a strong field. Except that guy has LCDs. Nice try. As Purple Jesus already pointed out those aren't LCDs on the top shelf. And that's really beside the point anyway since ALL electronic appliances generate EM fields including LCDs. Sorry I called whatchout a bozo, it just makes me angry when people tell me I'm wrong in order to look smart and they're actually the one wrong.