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  1. 2 points
    Some recordings came to me from a source that I trust of phone calls from Russia and around the Baltic area in general, taken 2 or so months ago and in a few of the recordings you'll sometimes hear tones before people answer the phone. I'll put a compilation together soon-ish and upload here for people to hear. The audio can be tinny in places, nothing I can do about that unfortunately.
  2. 2 points
    If you dial extension 8411-8414 it will make the automated voice say "Lane ""1-4"" Most pharmacies dont have more than two lanes. So if youre there waiting for a script, dial ext 8413 to hear the voice on the loudspeaker say "lane 3" and watch the employees confusion. its hilarious.
  3. 2 points
    Once you are in a call, they can decode TTY-text, so they should be able to also decode DTMF. That is correct - it is fake. That is correct, too. Between you punching in the number and the phone dialing, a lot can actually happen: For example the phone making a modem-connection to the NCC to get the rate, etc. You can programm the phones to do pretty much every thing you want... Besides 0, almost all N11-numbers for (except 911) are just "aliases" to local phone numbers... And sometimes, they even alias local phone numbers (think of 411 -> 555-1212 -> XXX-555-1212 to treat every "request for information"-call at the same point of contact).
  4. 1 point
    I am really glad I found this discussion, it helped tremendously on trying to figure out how to program my Ernest ETX. some notes from my experience: I could not find a 16x2 LCD on Ebay with just 14 pins. Most 16x2 LCD displays now have 16 pins. The extra 2 pins are for powering the LED back lighting. Pin 15 is 5VDC + and pin 16 is 5VDC -. This point is almost useless in my case as the PCB on the phone did not supply enough power to drive both the LCD and LED back light at the same time. I could not get anything to function properly until I disconnected the power (pin 15 and 16) to the LED back light. As far as wiring the contrast (terminal 3 on LCD) I tried using a jumper wire from pin 2 (5VDC +) to pin 3 (contrast) and I was never able to distinguish anything appearing on the LCD. I also tried it with the wire disconnected and with it just wired to the IDE connection on the phone PCB, no luck. I then tried wiring a 10k Pot with one side to pin 2 5VDC+, the other side to pin 1 (5VDC-) and the center terminal to pin 3 (contrast). At this point I could adjust the contrast to clearly read the LCD display. The pins on the 16x2 LCD were clearly marked but I was unsure of the pin configuration on the phones PCB where the LCD plugs in. This is the pin orientation of the socket on the phone PCB that I found: This is as you look at it on the phones PCB board with the phone standing up in regular position. Top 14- 13 12- 11 10- 9 8 - 7 <This is where the indexing notch is 6 - 5 4 - 3 2 - 1 bottom I am now able to access the programming menu on the LCD I hope this helps anyone looking for it. When I started this project I was told I could not run the pay phone off a voip system. That is not true, I am currently running this from an Ooma voip box. I had to connect a GE wireless phone jack system with the master connected to the Ooma Telo, and the slave unit connected to the Pay Phone. It seems the GE wireless phone jack system reproduces the old landline voltages much more accurately than the Ooma Telo Voip box. If anyone has any experience in programming the Ernest ETX I would appreciate some guidance. I would like to program the phone so all calls are free (it will be mounted inside my home). It would be even better if I could program it so the caller had to place a quarter in the phone but it was returned when the handset was replaced and call ended. I have been through the programming features and have not figured out how to achieve this.
  5. 1 point
    We know that in Russia and the former soviet states -- there's much more to be had than CCITT5 still. Me and one or two of the other BinRev people have located about a dozen or so (still finding new ones) switches in that area that still use in-band 2600 signaling -- even more surprisingly, these switches use 2600 SF/Dial Pulse signaling rather than MF! 2 of said switches we've managed to find out a way to reliably bluebox/SF-box -- and there's one that is still a work in progress, and it is yet to be determined whether it's SFable or not.
  6. 1 point
    I'm definitely looking forward to it, my Millennium is just sitting on the wall displaying "out of service". I'd still love to somehow find demo code for these phones though in the meantime, someone must have something since I'm seeing more of them running it lately that aren't demonstration terminals... Haven't had any luck thus far though.
  7. 1 point
    I believe pc-coholic is still working on it, last I heard he was working on a user interface for the fake Millennium Manager
  8. 1 point
    So some years ago, someone pointed out to me that Tracfone billing is done on the actual phone itself; not the network. So with that in mind, I gave something a try, had some decent luck with it, and figured I'd pass it on. At least on phones using AT&T's UMTS network (though I assume this applies to the CDMA phones too), general call forwarding is blocked as it should be, but call forward unavailable/busy/no answer has to be active for voicemail to properly work. So sure enough, using standard GSM call forward codes, you can send those calls elsewhere, and it won't deduct any minutes on the account. At this point, you can ditch the phone in a suitably shady manner, like sliding it under a vending machine at the airport. One caveat with this is that the AT&T mobile network's toll trunks _suck_ (you may have better luck with some of the other carriers. I'd try Verizon if it's convenient/CDMA turns out to work). Compared to just straight 1+, these trunks are ridden with discomfort noise and latency. If you're willing to deal with this, at the very least, it will not be transcoded like normal cell calls are. I don't know for sure, but both of these may very well be avoidable anyway if you choose to forward to a number local to, or otherwise within range of direct trunks to the mobile switching center you're assigned a number on. Keep that in mind when you give Tracfone your zip code.
  9. 1 point
    The preferable way to dial in is by using a telephone line from your local telephone company.
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  11. 1 point
    Curious what Sprint uses for switches..are the purely a Nortel house and all DMSes..
  12. 1 point
    I've been using a toll-free scan to test a few different methods of doing faster, but still manually reviewed stuff. Here's the results so far: EDIT: Heh, forgot the prefix. It's 800-488. 0000 - Sex line 0001 - Ringout 0002 - Ringout 0003 - Ringout 0004 - Ringout 0005 - NWN recording, Insight - responds to DTMF 0006 - Annoying queue rec 0007 - Ringout 0008 - Ad 0009 - Call center w/Cisco doohickey 0010 - Easyreach NWN rec, 713-01SG 0011 - Business w/wrbly sounding hosted Broadsoft 0012 - Ad 0013 - Business w/Nortel PBX 0014 - Ad 0015 - IVR, Sketchy debt relief service 0016 - Reorder via SS7 0017 - Ringout 0018 - Reorder via distant end 0019 - Business w/Definity PBX, Audix 0020 - NIS via SS7 0021 - Sketchy order line? 0022 - Reorder via distant end 0023 - Ad 0024 - Ad 0025 - Sex line 0026 - Order line, goes straight to rep 0027 - Business, Enterprise Rent-a-Car, individual location 0028 - Fax 0029 - Business, "Financial Services Organization", Nortel PBX? 0030 - Reorder via SS7 0031 - Business w/Nortel PBX (Lenovo?), same PBX as 0029 (AT&T TF) 0032 - Order line, goes straight to rep 0033 - Ad 0034 - Ringout to VMB, Nortel PBX 0035 - Ad 0036 - NIS via SS7 0037 - IVR, Bi-Lo/Winn Dixie Reporting System? Prompts for project # for event 0038 - Ad 0039 - 5ESS line, fax (Cincinatti Bell Anydistance TF) 0040 - Immediately disconnects 0041 - Business w/PBX, number changed rec. Responds to DTMF. 0042 - Ad 0043 - Ad 0044 - Ad 0045 - Business w/wrbly sounding PBX 0046 - # cannot be reached from calling area rec 0047 - Tech support call center 0048 - Ad? Forward to 800-FREE-411 0049 - Ad 0050 - Wrbly IVR, Kraft-Heinz consumer center 0051 - Ad 0052 - Ad 0053 - Call center, goes straight to rep - customer service 0054 - Order line w/IVR, won't pull docs 0055 - Global Crossing invalid rec 0056 - Ad 0057 - Ad 0058 - Busy signal 0059 - Easyreach 800 0060 - Ringout 0061 - Business w/wrbly sounding Cisco PBX 0062 - Call center, customer service 0063 - Ad 0064 - Ad 0065 - Ad 0066 - Business w/wrbly Panasonic PBX 0067 - Reorder via SS7 0068 - Business 0069 - Ringout 0070 - Ad ?0071 - Qwest UM VMS? 0072 - Ad 0073 - Business 0074 - Business w/unknown PBX 0075 - Wrbly sounding IVR 0076 - Business 0077 - Ad 0078 - Ad 0079 - Business 0080 - Ad 0081 - Ad 0082 - Business 0083 - Busy 0084 - Ad 0085 - Business w/Cisco VMS 0086 - Fax 0087 - Ad 0088 - IVR, National telemarketting company 0089 - Business 0090 - Shitty sounding customer service IVR 0091 - Weird, recorded busy signal via distant end 0092 - Ad 0093 - Ad? Forward to 800-FREE-411 0094 - Ad 0095 - Sex line 0096 - NIS via SS7 0097 - MCI CBCAD 0098 - Weird NWN rec 0099 - NIS via SS7 0100 - Ad 0101 - Ad 0102 - IVR, order line, won't pull docs, spits out 1021 when rep comes on the phone 0103 - Singles line 0104 - NIS via SS7 0105 - IVR, <TTS engine> "Phone number restricted" 0106 - Singles line 0107 - Ad 0108 - IVR, PCCW calling card, terminates in foreign country 0109 - Promoworks IVR rec, "This number is not yet active. It has been reserved for project <individual digit readback> 8-3-8-8" 0110 - Business 0111 - Business VMB? 0112 - Singles line 0113 - Ad 0114 - Ad 0115 - Business w/unknown PBX 0116 - Ad 0117 - Mobile satellite NIS rec 0118 - Weird NIS rec, "Error 201" 0119 - Weird service unavailable rec 0120 - Ad 0121 - Global Crossing invalid rec 0122 - Ringout to other ringout 0123 - 4ESS toll-free DISCO rec 0124 - 4ESS toll-free DISCO rec 0125 - Ad 0126 - T-Mobile sub, 415-802-8282 0127 - Same as 0037 0128 - AT&T disconnected number directory assistance thing 0129 - Ring x2 to busy signal via distant end 0130 - Ringout 0131 - Global Crossing invalid rec 0132 - Ad 0133 - Ad 0134 - Caresource IVR 0135 - Worldcom NIS rec 0136 - AT&T toll 5E/DMS CBCAD rec 0137 - Ad 0138 - IVR, Order line, doesn't pull docs 0139 - Ad? Forwards to 800-FREE-411 0140 - Order line, goes straight to rep 0141 - Ad 0142 - Order line, goes straight to rep 0143 - Ad 0144 - IVR, order line, doesn't pull docs 0145 - Ad 0146 - "Thank you for calling. Goodbye." 0147 - Ad? Forwards to 800-FREE-411 0148 - IVR, order line, doesn't pull docs 0149 - Ad 0150 - Ad 0151 - Business 0152 - IVR? Too much packet loss to tell 0153 - "This number has been reserved for Promoworks, but it has not currently been assigned to a project." 0154 - Business w/Broadworks hosted PBX 0155 - Really sketchy survey 0156 - Ringout 0157 - Ad 0158 - IVR, Harris Teeter reporting system, prompts for project number for event 0159 - Business w/Asterisk 0160 - Ad 0161 - "Please transmit your AMCON order now" <2100 hertz tone, 1 in DTMF> (Qwest TF) 0162 - Ad 0163 - Ad 0164 - Ad 0165 - Sprint DMS-250 CBCAE 0166 - Ad? Forwards to 800-FREE-411 0167 - Mutual of Omaha NWN rec 0168 - NIS via SS7 0169 - Ad 0170 - Order line, IVR 0171 - Wrbly sounding Cisco PBX 0172 - CBCAD via SS7 0173 - Global Crossing invalid rec 0174 - IVR, voicemail check-in line, prompts for account # (Paetec TF) 0175 - NIS via SS7 0176 - Ad 0177 - Business w/wrbly sounding PBX 0178 - IVR, real estate property line 0179 - Southwestern Bell NIS rec 0180 - Ad 0181 - Morgan Stanley IVR 0182 - Qwest UM VMS? "The room number is still not valid. You are going to be disconnected." 0183 - Ad 0184 - Ad 0185 - Business w/PBX, unknown type. Mitel? (MCI TF) 0186 - Ad 0187 - Sprint DMS-250 CBCAE 0188 - Ringout 0189 - Ad 0190 - Ad 0191 - Business w/Cisco PBX 0192 - CBCAD via SS7 0193 - Ad 0194 - # cannot be reached from calling area rec 0195 - Reorder via distant end 0196 - Ring x1 to busy signal 0197 - Ad 0198 - Wrbly Anypath VMB for mobile phone, 917-515-5643 0199 - Ad 0200 - Business w/IVR 0201 - NIS via SS7 0202 - Ad 0203 - Wrbly sounding ringout to Panasonic AM 0204 - Business w/Comcast line, VMB 0205 - Ad 0206 - Forward to wireless Anypath VMB for order line? 0207 - Ad 0208 - Reorder 0209 - Wrbly sounding queue 0210 - Sprint DMS-250 CBCAE 0211 - Ad? Forward to 800-FREE-411 0212 - Reorder via distant end 0213 - Ad 0214 - Ad 0215 - Ringout to wrbly sounding queue 0216 - Call queue 0217 - IVR, order line, won't pull docs 0218 - Ad 0219 - NIS via SS7 0220 - Ad 0221 - IVR, order line, won't pull docs 0222 - Ad 0223 - Weird rec, "You have reached a number that is no longer active." 0224 - ACB via SS7 0225 - Business w/Cisco PBX, 10 digit extensions? 0226 - Ad 0227 - "This number has been reserved for Promoworks, but it has not currently been assigned to a project." 0228 - Ad 0229 - Call center/sales for sketchy old person thing 0230 - Business w/wrbly sounding PBX 0231 - Ringout 0232 - CBCAD via SS7 0233 - Ad 0234 - Ad 0235 - ACB via SS7 0236 - Ad 0237 - Ringout 0238 - Ad 0239 - Ad 0240 - Ad 0241 - Ringout 0242 - IVR, "Welcome to the Safeway Canada reporting system. Please remember to press the # key after each response. Enter the project number of the program you executed." 0243 - Ad 0244 - Ad 0245 - Ringout 0246 - Ad? Sketchy order line? 0247 - Busy signal 0248 - 4ESS toll-free DISCO rec 0249 - NIS via SS7 0250 - Ad 0251 - Global Crossing invalid rec 0252 - Call center w/analog lines 0253 - rec, "The offer for which you are calling is not yet available." 0254 - Qwest UM VMS?, "The room number is still not valid. You are going to be disconnected." 0255 - Sales/support IVR 0256 - Ad 0257 - Ad 0258 - Business w/PBX on DMS-100 line (Frontier TF) 0259 - Call center queue w/loud recorded ring 0260 - NIS via SS7 0261 - Psychic line? Gives free five minute reading (BH Telecom TF) 0262 - Ad 0263 - Ad 0264 - Ad? Forwards to 800-FREE-411 0265 - Ad 0266 - Ad 0267 - Call center IVR 0268 - Ad 0269 - Asterisk MOH for a second, routes to ad? 0270 - Busy signal 0271 - Ad 0272 - Ring + NIS via SS7 0273 - Asterisk NIS rec + weird readback + ringout 0274 - Reorder via distant end 0275 - Ad 0276 - Pat Fleet NIS, trailer '5E1' (GCI Communications TF) 0277 - Ad 0278 - Guy on cell 0279 - Woman on cell? "Call I help you?" 0280 - Ad 0281 - Ad 0282 - Ad 0283 - Ad 0284 - IVR, "Welcome to the Wakefern (sp?) reporting system. Please remember to press the pound key after each response. Enter the project number of the program you executed." 0285 - AT&T Easyreach 800 NIS rec, trailer 713-01SG 0286 - Ad 0287 - Ad 0288 - Business, ringout to AP or APMax VMB (ANPI TF) 0289 - Business w/NEC PBX 0290 - IVR, wrbly sounding pharmacy call center 0291 - ACB via SS7 0292 - Ringout 0293 - Business w/Cisco Callmanager 0294 - Ad 0295 - Ad 0296 - NIS via SS7 0297 - Weird reorder via distant end 0298 - Business w/IVR 0299 - CBCAD via SS7 0300 - Ad 0301 - DMS-100 ringout to Qwest UM VMB 0302 - Ad 0303 - NIS via SS7 0304 - Wrbly sounding call center 0305 - Call center 0306 - IVR, # reserved for client 0307 - Call center 0308 - Business w/DMS-100 line, Nortel key system 0309 - CBCAD via SS7 0310 - Ad? Forward to 800-FREE-411 0311 - Ad 0312 - Ad 0313 - CBCAD via SS7 0314 - Ad 0315 - Reorder via SS7 0316 - Ad 0317 - Ad? 0318 - Ad? Forward to 800-FREE-411 0319 - NIS via SS7 0320 - Business w/Cisco Callmanager 0321 - Ad 0322 - Ad 0323 - Business w/Avaya Partner PBX (Marchex TF) 0324 - Weird # not available from calling area rec (Intelemedia TF) 0325 - Ad 0326 - AT&T Easyreach 800 NIS rec, trailer 713-01SG 0327 - NIS via SS7 0328 - MCI tandem CBCAD 0329 - Reorder via distant end 0330 - Ad 0331 - Ad 0332 - Ad 0333 - Busy 0334 - Ad 0335 - Ad 0336 - Ad? Forward to 800-FREE-411 0337 - Ringout 0338 - Business w/wrbly PBX 0339 - Business w/IVR 0340 - Ad 0341 - Ad 0342 - Ad 0343 - Ad 0344 - Subscriber 0345 - Ad 0346 - Ad 0347 - Reorder via SS7 0348 - # cannot be reached from calling area rec 0349 - Global Crossing invalid rec 0350 - Ad 0351 - Reorder 0352 - Ring x2 + hangup 0353 - Callsource NIS 0354 - rec, "The offer for which you are calling is not yet available." 0355 - Ad 0356 - rec, "The offer for which you are calling is not yet available." 0357 - CBCAD via SS7 0358 - IVR, Qwest Update Center voice, "Welcome to the MeetingOne conferencing service. If you are the host, please enter your PIN and the pound key. Otherwise, please wait for the host's arrival." (MOH plays) 0359 - Call center IVR 0360 - Ringout 0361 - Business 0362 - Qwest UM VMS?, "The room number is still not valid. You are going to be disconnected." 0363 - Business w/PBX 0364 - Ad 0365 - Business w/PBX 0366 - Ad 0367 - Reorder via SS7 0368 - Ad 0369 - Cellular subscriber 0370 - Call center 0371 - Order line, IVR 0372 - Wrbly sounding debt collector 0373 - Ad? Forwards to 800-FREE-411 0374 - rec, "The offer for which you are calling is not yet available." 0375 - Ad 0376 - Ad 0377 - IVR, call center 0378 - Asterisk MOH to ad 0379 - Ad 0380 - Reorder via distant end 0381 - Qwest UM VMS?, "The room number is still not valid. You are going to be disconnected." 0382 - Ad? Forwards to 800-FREE-411 0383 - # cannot be reached from calling area rec 0384 - AT&T Easyreach 800 0385 - Ad 0386 - Weird sounding NIS rec, trailer MIA-8 0387 - Ad 0388 - Ad 0389 - Ad 0390 - NIS via SS7 0391 - Scammy vacation survey 0392 - Ad 0393 - Ad 0394 - Worldcom DMS-250 NIS rec 0395 - Weird sounding NIS rec 0396 - Order line, IVR 0397 - NIS via SS7 0398 - NIS via SS7 0399 - Ad 0400 - Ad 0401 - Qwest UM VMS?, "The room number is still not valid. You are going to be disconnected." 0402 - rec, "The offer for which you are calling is not yet available" 0403 - Reorder 0404 - Ad 0405 - Ad 0406 - Ad 0407 - Busy 0408 - TTS rec, "Phone service on this number has been suspended. You call is now being disconnected." 0409 - Ringout 0410 - Business w/Avaya Definity, Audix 0411 - Morgan Stanley office IVR 0412 - rec, "The offer for which you are calling is not yet available" 0413 - Ad 0414 - Wrbly sounding call center 0415 - Call center 0416 - Order line, IVR 0417 - Ad 0418 - Disconnects immediately 0419 - Ad 0420 - Ad 0421 - Weird FSK modem thingie for alarm systems 0422 - Ad 0423 - Ad 0424 - MCI tandem CBCAD 0425 - Reorder via SS7 0426 - Ring to wrbly sounding MOH 0427 - Ad? Forwards to 800-FREE-411 0428 - Business w/Cisco Callmanager 0429 - Order line, WOW Computer (lol) 0430 - Ad 0431 - Ad 0432 - Call center 0433 - # cannot be reached from calling area rec 0434 - Ad 0435 - AT&T toll 5E/DMS CBCAD 0436 - Business w/wrbly sounding Cisco Callmanager 0437 - Global Crossing invalid rec 0438 - Ad 0439 - Ad 0440 - Busy signal 0441 - NIS via SS7 0442 - Business w/Audix VMB, Definity PBX? 0443 - Ad ?0444 - Business w/PBX 0445 - Call center 0446 - Reorder via distant end 0447 - Ringout 0448 - Ringout 0449 - # cannot be reached from calling area rec 0450 - Ad 0451 - Business w/unknown PBX 0452 - Ad 0453 - Ring x1, disconnects 0454 - # cannot be reached from calling area rec 0455 - Order line, IVR 0456 - Business 0457 - Ringout 0458 - Ringout 0459 - NIS via SS7 0460 - Ad 0461 - Ad 0462 - Ad 0463 - DMS-100 ringout 0464 - Ad 0465 - AP NIS rec 0466 - Reorder via SS7 0467 - Ad 0468 - Ringout 0469 - Ad 0470 - Weird sounding NIS rec 0471 - Ad 0472 - Ad 0473 - Business w/Cisco Callmanager 0474 - Ad 0475 - AT&T Easyreach 800 0476 - Fax 0477 - Ad 0478 - Glenayre/Skytel VMS, prompts for PIN 0479 - AT&T Easyreach NIS rec, trailer 203-01SG 0480 - Morgan Stanley after-hours IVR 0481 - Business w/Ringcentral account 0482 - AT&T Easyreach NIS rec, trailer 713-01SG 0483 - Ad 0484 - Ad 0485 - Busy signal 0486 - Ad 0487 - Ad 0488 - Business w/NEC PBX 0489 - Ad 0490 - AT&T Easyreach 800 0491 - Ad 0492 - Ringout 0493 - Ad 0494 - Ad 0495 - Business w/Cisco Callmanager 0496 - McLeodUSA CBCAD 0497 - Business, ringout to Meatwitch VMB 0498 - Business w/PBX 0499 - Ad? Forwards to 800-FREE-411
  13. 1 point
    Looks like you were right; the number is going to a Singtel not in service announcement now. I guess now is our golden opportunity to try and figure out what it's routing over. The carrier tromboning their way over to what's probably Singapore (actually, does Singtel have any end offices in Malaysia? The C5 circuits were always on specifically Malaysian conference numbers. For whatever it's worth, I tried routing to them explicitly over the Singtel direct service and it never gave me any C5 cheeps) will cycle through several routes before eventually giving up. I guess after Intercall and Genesys merged, the old Genesys stuff was considered redundant. It was always really hard to find conference numbers on this thing. I always chalked it up to non-Americans not feeling the impulse to share everything; US conferences are disproportionately easier to find than, say, Canadian or Mexican ones. But shut down plans probably make more sense.
  14. 1 point
    Kinda bizarre one I found on my old college's exchange... Tried the "add one to the MW test" trick. 216-397-0833 - This starts out with one ring, then a single run of the standard "number disconnected" recording. It then goes to reorder... Which trips after about a half-second into a standard ring, a total of 5 of them. At that point, the line sounds like it supes, then nothing but silence (with faint background hiss) for about 45 seconds before going to reorder again. I didn't try talking on it or anything of the sort because my little guy and wife were around. Migth be worth a revisit.
  15. -1 points
    True that. This one, kinda irks me too. There was another Obama Attack on the interweb as well. I think the biggest problem is these are people who are technically illiterate, and don't have enough insight into technology to pass the laws for the better. Obama is a lawyer, Bush was a Texas Oil Tycoon, Palin is a Barbi Doll, and thst is how they run/ran our country. They also look out for the better good of the lobbyists who line their pockets with campaign dollars. Political actions like that have been around the Internet, from a law enforcement perspective, since it was opened for public consumption. I mean back in the days, the FBI spent more resources to catch Kevin Mitnick, while child molesters and murderers were walking the streets. Basically because he "stole" from companies that shell out money and fancy gifts to people in office. Politics are always gonna be screwed up, and they affect more than just he Internet.
  16. -2 points
    May I please handle this? Thank you! We are mostly Developers, System Administrators, and Analysts. Linux can send a 3000 page Office Document like a champ. Bits are transparent moving across the physical wire. I'd wager one year's professional salary Linux boxes move more Word Documents than Windows platforms. Are you Recptionist? My GF is and can use Word and Excel like a pro. She is actually certified in Excel and Power Point, the certs hang above her cubical. When a Windows System Admin, I ran my Win10 Pro workstation in a VM (level2 hypervisor) on Linux. I could backup snapshots and have an IT workstation in case the worst happened and some CEO infected the entire Domain with some CIA Bitlocker MS-0Day variant. Simply boot Linux, put virtualized nodes on HA, and then run automated re-installs. I could also do simple but professional level I.T. things without needing a CAL for every other connection. but capitols are different letters. should ms revert to case insensative passwords? Really, this shows a serious lack of Computer Science knowledge. :-)