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#1 Priest

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 01:43 PM

Microsoft recently announced it plans on releasing its windows 8 machines (machines with the windows 8 compatibility logo) with the "secure boot" scheme (which i hear has already been cracked) that could lock out Linux systems and other free software. That's not much of a problem but if vendors begin making this an industry standard without adding features to let the user switch secure boot off or authorize software manually this could be trouble.


For further reading see:
http://www.fsf.org/c...estricted-boot/
http://www.zdnet.com...e-and-free/9827

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 07:52 PM

Microsoft recently announced it plans on releasing its windows 8 machines (machines with the windows 8 compatibility logo) with the "secure boot" scheme (which i hear has already been cracked) that could lock out Linux systems and other free software. That's not much of a problem but if vendors begin making this an industry standard without adding features to let the user switch secure boot off or authorize software manually this could be trouble.


For further reading see:
http://www.fsf.org/c...estricted-boot/
http://www.zdnet.com...e-and-free/9827


my boss has a laptop with windows 8 developer version... i have to say it sucks... perhaps because the laptop is not a touch screen...

while it may not be a popular opinion here, i like windows for what it is - a desktop operating system. it does what it does, and does it pretty well which is why there is such a huge market share of windows PCs in use on most office and home computers.

android, has its place in the mobile, and tablet markets.

with windows 8 it looks like microsoft is trying to imitate iOS/mac and android, going so far as making an app store... when did all "programs" or "software" change to "apps" or "applications"?

IMO windows 8 is going to signify the beginning of the end of windows as the leading OS in installations... many people are now familiar with other operating system alternatives such as android, mac and iOS

While the home PC is probably going to end up being a thing of the past with game systems, networked TVs, tablets, smartphones and any future electronics all being able to complete most of the basic tasks that home users have computers for, i think that windows should keep focus on desktop operating systems - businesses are going to still need work stations for quite some time, and servers that host all of the webpages that we view are going to need operating systems to run them. i think if windows would narrow their focus to this market they will be able to continue to be a successful business... however, if they want to go chasing trends, or other manufacturers, and operating system vendors, they are going to go down quickly...

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Posted 10 December 2011 - 12:41 AM

eh i dont know about that :p. now that companys are selling netbooks with linux/no os, i would assume they arent going to use secure boot as standard.. inless they pull some intel bs and start bribing i guess.. besides that almost every other windows sucks, me/vista/8 i assume they will just make a fork or something and have windows 8 for tablets/whatever, desktop/workstation then server. as alot of the people that do computer gaming probably arent going to like windows 8 very much heh. or just settings to make it look like the regular windows vista/7 aero. only remaining hope i see is workstations/high end gaming keeping regular desktop experience alive, id hate to live in a world where all i can get is a thinclient, cloud like using vms for added system security sure, but thinclients no thankyou..

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Posted 22 March 2012 - 01:48 PM

Microsoft recently announced it plans on releasing its windows 8 machines (machines with the windows 8 compatibility logo) with the "secure boot" scheme (which i hear has already been cracked) that could lock out Linux systems and other free software. That's not much of a problem but if vendors begin making this an industry standard without adding features to let the user switch secure boot off or authorize software manually this could be trouble.


For further reading see:
http://www.fsf.org/c...estricted-boot/
http://www.zdnet.com...e-and-free/9827


I might be out of date on this, but the free software killer issue only affects Win8 on ARM. The ARM hardware manufacturers will be required to force loading signed software, such as Win8, on the device. The x86 systems will still let users disable the secure boot. I still think this is utter DRM bullshit b/c the third option is much better: let the user do secure boot & add public keys of their choosing (a la PGP). All of my designs with trusted boot feature this.




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