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[Check]

I don't understand how proxy sites stay up.

Shouldn't the proxies get all the dirt, when they are used for attacks, piracy and surfing bad porn?

And how do they avoid being raided and confiscated by the police?

Edited by Check, 11 April 2011 - 07:55 AM.

[tekio]

If I ran a web based proxy service, I'd give all requested info. to law enforcement. The purpose of most is anonynimoty for legit purpose, and not to cover up crime.

[Check]

If I ran a web based proxy service, I'd give all requested info. to law enforcement. The purpose of most is anonynimoty for legit purpose, and not to cover up crime.

But wouldn't the proxy server be full of child porn and thus subject to legal punishment?

[tekio]

If I ran a web based proxy service, I'd give all requested info. to law enforcement. The purpose of most is anonynimoty for legit purpose, and not to cover up crime.

But wouldn't the proxy server be full of child porn and thus subject to legal punishment?

Do you mean like a cacheing proxy server? Most will not cache images other than small gif's, or a size set forth by the admin. That would just take up too much disk space on the cacheing server to justify. Maybe I'm just confused??

[Check]

If I ran a web based proxy service, I'd give all requested info. to law enforcement. The purpose of most is anonynimoty for legit purpose, and not to cover up crime.

But wouldn't the proxy server be full of child porn and thus subject to legal punishment?

Do you mean like a cacheing proxy server? Most will not cache images other than small gif's, or a size set forth by the admin. That would just take up too much disk space on the cacheing server to justify. Maybe I'm just confused??

Ahh, no, I was the one confused.

I figured the proxy automatically downloads (and keeps for a short while) everything the proxy-user does.

Thanks for the info.

Edited by Check, 11 April 2011 - 08:52 AM.

[tekio]

If I ran a web based proxy service, I'd give all requested info. to law enforcement. The purpose of most is anonynimoty for legit purpose, and not to cover up crime.

But wouldn't the proxy server be full of child porn and thus subject to legal punishment?

Do you mean like a cacheing proxy server? Most will not cache images other than small gif's, or a size set forth by the admin. That would just take up too much disk space on the cacheing server to justify. Maybe I'm just confused??

Ahh, no, I was the one confused.

I figured the proxy automatically downloads (and keeps for a short while) everything the proxy-user does.

Thanks for the info.

Most anonymous web-based proxies are a cgi or PHP script that download the content and pass it to the user. Since it is passed to the user by the script they show up in the logs and not the client-browser.

EDIT: it's really easy to program one. You'd just need to make a script sending the request and displaying the content.

Edited by tekio, 11 April 2011 - 08:56 AM.

[nyphonejacks]

If I ran a web based proxy service, I'd give all requested info. to law enforcement. The purpose of most is anonynimoty for legit purpose, and not to cover up crime.

so you would go adrian lamo?

sometimes people use proxies because what they are attempting to do is illegal in the country where they are located, but not necessarily immoral or wrong...

so you would rather subject someone to an oppressive government than to allow free exchange of information?

guess you have never had to go thru the system, perhaps then your views might change on cooperating...

then again, i am probably still bitter for getting my knife that i use for work taken from me and getting a bench appearance ticket for having it the other day...

one of the main reasons why i would never operate a proxy server is the legality of it... i would not want to maintain required records of users, but at the same time i would not want to be held liable for any activity that occurred over my bandwidth...

[tekio]

If I ran a web based proxy service, I'd give all requested info. to law enforcement. The purpose of most is anonynimoty for legit purpose, and not to cover up crime.

so you would go adrian lamo?

sometimes people use proxies because what they are attempting to do is illegal in the country where they are located, but not necessarily immoral or wrong...

so you would rather subject someone to an oppressive government than to allow free exchange of information?

guess you have never had to go thru the system, perhaps then your views might change on cooperating...

For someone looking at "bad porn" or "hacking systems"? Fuck yes. I wouldn't go to jail to protect them. Sorry.

[nyphonejacks]

If I ran a web based proxy service, I'd give all requested info. to law enforcement. The purpose of most is anonynimoty for legit purpose, and not to cover up crime.

so you would go adrian lamo?

sometimes people use proxies because what they are attempting to do is illegal in the country where they are located, but not necessarily immoral or wrong...

so you would rather subject someone to an oppressive government than to allow free exchange of information?

guess you have never had to go thru the system, perhaps then your views might change on cooperating...

For someone looking at "bad porn" or "hacking systems"? Fuck yes. I wouldn't go to jail to protect them. Sorry.

there is a lot of "bad porn" out there.. but i assume that i know what you mean...
as for "hacking systems" that could mean different things to different people...

i would not rat someone out, therefore i would never run a proxy, or allow someone else to knowingly use my bandwidth...

i guess the best way to run a proxy and avoid legal issues is to set the proxy up in a different country that does not have an extradition treaty with the country where you are located...

[mSparks]

Its difficult to prosecute ghosts.... They rarely have the profit margin.

Just saying.

Edited by mSparks, 13 April 2011 - 03:24 AM.

[tekio]

guess you have never had to go thru the system, perhaps then your views might change on cooperating...

I never have. But I'd guess being locked up for protecting a pedophile (bad porn) wouldn't score too many points with the other inmates. But Maybe I've just watched OZ too many times. lol

Seriously, though. Yes, I've been caught compromising a system before. One of my previous employers found out I had gotten card blanche on the NT network. They paid some big fancy forensic guy to audit what happened. After they found out how I got in, and that I didn't even try to do anything malicious my boss just wrote me up. He told me, "I wish the people I pay to run the networks had come up with something that clever". It really wasn't that impressive of a hack to someone who knows about security, though.

Something like that no, I wouldn't even care about someone's curiosity. However, if the crime included harming another person, or severe malicious actions, I wouldn't hesitate to comply. Well, unless the guy had mob connections or something.. lol

i would not rat someone out, therefore i would never run a proxy, or allow someone else to knowingly use my bandwidth...

Complying and "ratting" are two totally different things.

[nyphonejacks]

I never have. But I'd guess being locked up for protecting a pedophile (bad porn) wouldn't score too many points with the other inmates. But Maybe I've just watched OZ too many times. lol

Seriously, though. Yes, I've been caught compromising a system before. One of my previous employers found out I had gotten card blanche on the NT network. They paid some big fancy forensic guy to audit what happened. After they found out how I got in, and that I didn't even try to do anything malicious my boss just wrote me up. He told me, "I wish the people I pay to run the networks had come up with something that clever". It really wasn't that impressive of a hack to someone who knows about security, though.

Something like that no, I wouldn't even care about someone's curiosity. However, if the crime included harming another person, or severe malicious actions, I wouldn't hesitate to comply. Well, unless the guy had mob connections or something.. lol

i would not rat someone out, therefore i would never run a proxy, or allow someone else to knowingly use my bandwidth...

Complying and "ratting" are two totally different things.

wish my ex-employer was as sympathetic instead of sending the phedz out for a visit...

as for complying and ratting being two totally different things - not too sure they are *totally* different things, seems more like a razor thin line to me... which is why i would just choose to avoid a situation where i would be legally bound to rat (or "comply")

[tekio]

I never have. But I'd guess being locked up for protecting a pedophile (bad porn) wouldn't score too many points with the other inmates. But Maybe I've just watched OZ too many times. lol

Seriously, though. Yes, I've been caught compromising a system before. One of my previous employers found out I had gotten card blanche on the NT network. They paid some big fancy forensic guy to audit what happened. After they found out how I got in, and that I didn't even try to do anything malicious my boss just wrote me up. He told me, "I wish the people I pay to run the networks had come up with something that clever". It really wasn't that impressive of a hack to someone who knows about security, though.

Something like that no, I wouldn't even care about someone's curiosity. However, if the crime included harming another person, or severe malicious actions, I wouldn't hesitate to comply. Well, unless the guy had mob connections or something.. lol

i would not rat someone out, therefore i would never run a proxy, or allow someone else to knowingly use my bandwidth...

Complying and "ratting" are two totally different things.

wish my ex-employer was as sympathetic instead of sending the phedz out for a visit...

as for complying and ratting being two totally different things - not too sure they are *totally* different things, seems more like a razor thin line to me... which is why i would just choose to avoid a situation where i would be legally bound to rat (or "comply")

Actually it was not in federal jurisdiction. Never crossed state lines.

Where I come from protecting peds and felones is kinda "unAmerican"

Comply == issued court order and turn over records or comply with investigation.

[nyphonejacks]

mine issue did not cross state lines either, it involved allegedly calling a single local telephone number from my home which i continue to deny..

i can agree that you would be obligated to comply with a court order... but complying with an investigation with out such a court order would be ratting...

i am not talking about protecting anyone... just not assisting in putting them behind bars...

[sickreizin]

In the United States, they're legally protected as Online Service Providers. If somebody does something illegal and stupid with a proxy, they hold the legal responsibility not the proxy provider. This is how networks like Tor are allowed to operate legally even when most Tor servers publicly don't keep logs. Luckily, some people are smarter than to just roll over when some suits come knocking. Anonymity has a purpose and there's ways to catch people aside from proxy logs called good investigative work.