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#1 sk3l1t0r

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Posted 11 January 2011 - 08:05 PM

Hey, just kinda currious if anyone knows of any stories of house raids on hackers and why they would get raided. i know of the Kevin Mitnick but thats pretty much. I would just like to read some stories on this crap and if it has ever happened to any of you.

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Posted 11 January 2011 - 09:18 PM

Hey, just kinda currious if anyone knows of any stories of house raids on hackers and why they would get raided. i know of the Kevin Mitnick but thats pretty much. I would just like to read some stories on this crap and if it has ever happened to any of you.

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Posted 11 January 2011 - 10:26 PM


Hey, just kinda currious if anyone knows of any stories of house raids on hackers and why they would get raided. i know of the Kevin Mitnick but thats pretty much. I would just like to read some stories on this crap and if it has ever happened to any of you.

*raises hand*


ditto.

Basically is sucks... really really sucks.

I got caught cracking phreak codes back in the 80's...

They knock once, then force the door open. After that, they look around and when they see a computer, that's where they stay. Then your computer and anything plugged into it, or remotely looks like it could be plugged into it, leaves with them.

Also if you cuss at them, two of them will pick you up and body slam you down on the couch.

I was 16.

Lesson learned: Never hack from the house.

Edited by PurpleJesus, 11 January 2011 - 10:34 PM.


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Posted 12 January 2011 - 01:02 AM



Hey, just kinda currious if anyone knows of any stories of house raids on hackers and why they would get raided. i know of the Kevin Mitnick but thats pretty much. I would just like to read some stories on this crap and if it has ever happened to any of you.

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ditto.

Basically is sucks... really really sucks.

I got caught cracking phreak codes back in the 80's...

They knock once, then force the door open. After that, they look around and when they see a computer, that's where they stay. Then your computer and anything plugged into it, or remotely looks like it could be plugged into it, leaves with them.

Also if you cuss at them, two of them will pick you up and body slam you down on the couch.

I was 16.

Lesson learned: Never hack from the house.



dang that sucks! i guess the only way would be to go mobile...

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 04:37 AM

Hey, just kinda currious if anyone knows of any stories of house raids on hackers and why they would get raided. i know of the Kevin Mitnick but thats pretty much. I would just like to read some stories on this crap and if it has ever happened to any of you.

Feds had a huge "hacking drive" back in the mid-late 90s, with some high value targets in the mid 80s.
Basically anybody even remotely connected to the scene who was in the US and actually a hacker rather than just talk was hit - I think a lot of it was fishing, just to catch up with the latest tech, which is why so many ended up on the state payroll.

not really heard of anything in the past 5 years, a few "token" cases, most hacking now originates from Israel, China and Russia (with a not insignificant amount coming from other less well known places like Indonesia), most of whom I understand don't really care as long as its against the "nasty capitalist pigs"

I was lucky at that point, in that being from the UK, there was very few in authority who's knowledge of computing extended beyond how to send an email, and all the rest were busy taking 6 figure salaries building stuff.

That said, the list of actual convictions is quite short.
http://en.wikipedia....puter_criminals

Edited by mSparks, 12 January 2011 - 04:37 AM.


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Posted 12 January 2011 - 07:24 AM

Thats because I suspect that page doesnt have most of the people convicted. I can think of several who don't appear on it who I know for a fact got actually convicted of computer intrusion offenses. Ask yourself where fluffi bunny is on that page for an example.
The uk has had a specialist crime squad that deals with this field since the 80's. I think theyre called the eCrime unit now and when they don't know something they just pay a scum friendly consultant to come in and be expert witness on that specific area.

OP, my friends had this, all their kit taken away, some of it never to be seen again. Doors barged down with warents, parents pissed off bigtime at everyone. Everyone else sitting waiting hoping everyone could keep their mouths shut. Being in a group != safety in numbers...

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 02:19 PM

Do you mean these guys?
http://www.met.polic...alist_crime.htm

Pah.
they can't even keep up with the £1bln a year in CC fraud (so much so they don't even prosecute any more, just hand the loss over to the individual), few virus's and general hacking didn't even enter their vocabularily until the 1990 computer misuse act, and even then that was so flawed they have never put any effort into catching anyone.
They have their hands full trying to deal with all their other responsibilities.

Edited by mSparks, 12 January 2011 - 02:21 PM.


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Posted 12 January 2011 - 09:00 PM

Do you mean these guys?
http://www.met.polic...alist_crime.htm

Pah.
they can't even keep up with the £1bln a year in CC fraud (so much so they don't even prosecute any more, just hand the loss over to the individual), few virus's and general hacking didn't even enter their vocabularily until the 1990 computer misuse act, and even then that was so flawed they have never put any effort into catching anyone.
They have their hands full trying to deal with all their other responsibilities.




intense..but im not too worried. i just get paranoid for no reason every now and then lol. Going mobile then.. anyone know where i should start? i have a laptop and a netbook so i guess all i would need is an antenna to pick up wifi? and a program to help me do some wifi sniffing. ugh not too good with wifi.. never really messed with it..i suppose i could do it in my car. any one have any suggestions on hardware, software, techniques on going mobile with my computers?

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 09:15 PM

they can't even keep up with the £1bln a year in CC fraud (so much so they don't even prosecute any more, just hand the loss over to the individual), few virus's and general hacking didn't even enter their vocabularily until the 1990 computer misuse act, and even then that was so flawed they have never put any effort into catching anyone.
They have their hands full trying to deal with all their other responsibilities.

A lot of enforcement decisions are probably based on who was comprimised. I don't think any agency would give a rat's ass if my email and personal information were violated. However, if anything happens to people who make decisions (like politicians), or people who assist these people get into power, shit will hit the fan. I live in a fairly small town, and will gauruntee if a person gets caught by local police using the mayor's personal WiFi w/o permission charges would be filed. If I called the same people (local police) because a neighbor was using my WiFi they'd not even investigate it.

Let's just say a company like Halliburton gets pwned, or a well connected person like Sara Palin, who is clueless, get's her email compromised, heads will roll.

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 11:15 PM



Hey, just kinda currious if anyone knows of any stories of house raids on hackers and why they would get raided. i know of the Kevin Mitnick but thats pretty much. I would just like to read some stories on this crap and if it has ever happened to any of you.

*raises hand*


ditto.

Basically is sucks... really really sucks.

I got caught cracking phreak codes back in the 80's...

They knock once, then force the door open. After that, they look around and when they see a computer, that's where they stay. Then your computer and anything plugged into it, or remotely looks like it could be plugged into it, leaves with them.

Also if you cuss at them, two of them will pick you up and body slam you down on the couch.

I was 16.

Lesson learned: Never hack from the house.



Yeah, that does suck.

Wasn't that back in the days when someone who is under 18 couldn't really get much of a punishment though?



Hey, just kinda currious if anyone knows of any stories of house raids on hackers and why they would get raided. i know of the Kevin Mitnick but thats pretty much. I would just like to read some stories on this crap and if it has ever happened to any of you.

*raises hand*

Oh, Purple jesus said his story. What happened with you?, if that's ok to ask.


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Posted 12 January 2011 - 11:56 PM

meh.. i am cautious as to what i post in public forums since that has happened... nothing too crazy.... but it involved DATU...

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 01:17 AM

meh.. i am cautious as to what i post in public forums since that has happened... nothing too crazy.... but it involved DATU...

I understand. Same here.

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 01:32 AM

meh.. i am cautious as to what i post in public forums since that has happened... nothing too crazy.... but it involved DATU...

DATU's? Ahhhh.... Luv them numbers.
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I could've edited my last post to add this, oh well. I'm on my BlackBerry & forgot.

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 02:50 AM


they can't even keep up with the £1bln a year in CC fraud (so much so they don't even prosecute any more, just hand the loss over to the individual), few virus's and general hacking didn't even enter their vocabularily until the 1990 computer misuse act, and even then that was so flawed they have never put any effort into catching anyone.
They have their hands full trying to deal with all their other responsibilities.

A lot of enforcement decisions are probably based on who was comprimised. I don't think any agency would give a rat's ass if my email and personal information were violated. However, if anything happens to people who make decisions (like politicians), or people who assist these people get into power, shit will hit the fan. I live in a fairly small town, and will gauruntee if a person gets caught by local police using the mayor's personal WiFi w/o permission charges would be filed. If I called the same people (local police) because a neighbor was using my WiFi they'd not even investigate it.

Let's just say a company like Halliburton gets pwned, or a well connected person like Sara Palin, who is clueless, get's her email compromised, heads will roll.

If by "shit will hit the fan" you mean "make the director of communications to Downing Street" then I'd be tempted to agree.
http://www.guardian....-hacking-reopen
http://www.guardian....e-investigation
http://www.independe...et-2183196.html

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 03:10 AM



they can't even keep up with the £1bln a year in CC fraud (so much so they don't even prosecute any more, just hand the loss over to the individual), few virus's and general hacking didn't even enter their vocabularily until the 1990 computer misuse act, and even then that was so flawed they have never put any effort into catching anyone.
They have their hands full trying to deal with all their other responsibilities.

A lot of enforcement decisions are probably based on who was comprimised. I don't think any agency would give a rat's ass if my email and personal information were violated. However, if anything happens to people who make decisions (like politicians), or people who assist these people get into power, shit will hit the fan. I live in a fairly small town, and will gauruntee if a person gets caught by local police using the mayor's personal WiFi w/o permission charges would be filed. If I called the same people (local police) because a neighbor was using my WiFi they'd not even investigate it.

Let's just say a company like Halliburton gets pwned, or a well connected person like Sara Palin, who is clueless, get's her email compromised, heads will roll.

If by "shit will hit the fan" you mean "make the director of communications to Downing Street" then I'd be tempted to agree.
http://www.guardian....-hacking-reopen
http://www.guardian....e-investigation
http://www.independe...et-2183196.html

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/04/kernell-guilty/

Do you think anyone would get charged with identity theft (which didn't stick in this case), and get a year for "hacking" any normal joe-shmoe's email?

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 05:29 AM




they can't even keep up with the £1bln a year in CC fraud (so much so they don't even prosecute any more, just hand the loss over to the individual), few virus's and general hacking didn't even enter their vocabularily until the 1990 computer misuse act, and even then that was so flawed they have never put any effort into catching anyone.
They have their hands full trying to deal with all their other responsibilities.

A lot of enforcement decisions are probably based on who was comprimised. I don't think any agency would give a rat's ass if my email and personal information were violated. However, if anything happens to people who make decisions (like politicians), or people who assist these people get into power, shit will hit the fan. I live in a fairly small town, and will gauruntee if a person gets caught by local police using the mayor's personal WiFi w/o permission charges would be filed. If I called the same people (local police) because a neighbor was using my WiFi they'd not even investigate it.

Let's just say a company like Halliburton gets pwned, or a well connected person like Sara Palin, who is clueless, get's her email compromised, heads will roll.

If by "shit will hit the fan" you mean "make the director of communications to Downing Street" then I'd be tempted to agree.
http://www.guardian....-hacking-reopen
http://www.guardian....e-investigation
http://www.independe...et-2183196.html

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/04/kernell-guilty/

Do you think anyone would get charged with identity theft (which didn't stick in this case), and get a year for "hacking" any normal joe-shmoe's email?

Erm, miss the point much?
In the UK they'd probably make him assistant director of communications. :wink:
Except such roles require a level of discretion Kernell clearly lacks.

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 11:01 AM




Hey, just kinda currious if anyone knows of any stories of house raids on hackers and why they would get raided. i know of the Kevin Mitnick but thats pretty much. I would just like to read some stories on this crap and if it has ever happened to any of you.

*raises hand*


ditto.

Basically is sucks... really really sucks.

I got caught cracking phreak codes back in the 80's...

They knock once, then force the door open. After that, they look around and when they see a computer, that's where they stay. Then your computer and anything plugged into it, or remotely looks like it could be plugged into it, leaves with them.

Also if you cuss at them, two of them will pick you up and body slam you down on the couch.

I was 16.

Lesson learned: Never hack from the house.



Yeah, that does suck.

Wasn't that back in the days when someone who is under 18 couldn't really get much of a punishment though?



Hey, just kinda currious if anyone knows of any stories of house raids on hackers and why they would get raided. i know of the Kevin Mitnick but thats pretty much. I would just like to read some stories on this crap and if it has ever happened to any of you.

*raises hand*

Oh, Purple jesus said his story. What happened with you?, if that's ok to ask.



They returned the Vic 20 that was in the closet. Everything else they kept.
100 Hours community service
Probation ~6 months. (just call my probo officer once a month to let her know I was alive)
That about sums it up.

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 11:57 AM

They returned the Vic 20 that was in the closet. Everything else they kept.

I doubt it.

More likely gave it to the arresting officers kids as Christmas presents....

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Posted 29 January 2011 - 02:04 PM

Hey, just kinda currious if anyone knows of any stories of house raids on hackers and why they would get raided. i know of the Kevin Mitnick but thats pretty much. I would just like to read some stories on this crap and if it has ever happened to any of you.



You can read a lot of cases of busts and raids on www.textfiles.com. check the warez or bbs sections and you should get some texts of people talking about their cases. Though the info is dated, it's worth to read it. at least it's fun.

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Posted 29 January 2011 - 07:50 PM

Some folks got arrested for allegedly using twitter during the G20 protests this past year. There's some good info about the raid at https://friendsoftor...wordpress.com/.

These raids absolutely do still happen. Also, the guy who allegedly hacked Palin's email account had his house raided. The FBI is also doing raids in response to Anonymous's "Operation Payback".




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