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#1 screamer

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Posted 11 December 2002 - 07:10 PM

Just a reminder, the "Hackers: Outlaws & Angels" show is on tonight...

...brought to you in part by Microsoft.

yikes :(






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#2 StankDawg

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Posted 11 December 2002 - 07:28 PM

the "blurb" or quick description on the Yahoo TV listings simply says...

Cybercriminals commit sabotage and theft


But let's watch it first before passing judgement. It could be yahoo or the company they get their data from that fukked it up.

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Posted 11 December 2002 - 08:35 PM

Well it sells...
Just so I don't sound too jaded, remember that the people who write and research the documentary are not the ones (not usually) who advertise it...though I wouldn't doubt that the producers will often look for "angles" that sell better than others. But then again, I haven't seen a good documentary done by a big corporation yet.

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Posted 11 December 2002 - 08:52 PM

i have copied this directly from tlc.discovery.com it's a taste of we're likely to see


[QUOTE]

Hacker Psych 101
By Jeremy Quittner

Who are hackers, and what makes them tick?

Two experts in the field of cyber forensics and psychology have some answers to that question. One is Marc Rogers, a behavioral sciences researcher at the University of Manitoba in Winnipeg, Canada, and a former cyber detective. The other is Jerrold M. Post, a psychiatrist at George Washington University in Washington, D.C.

Rogers and Post have identified some basic behavioral trends for hackers who commit crimes. Rogers says one characteristic is that they tend to minimize or misconstrue the consequences of their activities, rationalizing that their behavior is really performing a service to society. (Some researchers call this the Robin Hood Syndrome). They may also tend to dehumanize and blame the victim sites they attack. Post says the same hackers share a sense of "ethical flexibility," which means that since human contact is minimized over the computer, hacking becomes like a game where the serious consequences can be easily ignored.

But Rogers is careful to point out that not all hackers are criminals. He's identified four categories as follows:

1. Old School Hackers: These are your 1960s style computer programmers from Stanford or MIT for whom the term hacking is a badge of honor. They're interested in lines of code and analyzing systems, but what they do is not related to criminal activity. They don't have a malicious intent, though they may have a lack of concern for privacy and proprietary information because they believe the Internet was designed to be an open system.

2. Script Kiddies, or Cyber-Punks: Most commonly what the media calls "hackers." These are the kids, like Mafia Boy, who most frequently get caught by authorities because they brag online about their exploits. As an age group, they can be between 12 and 30 years old, they're predominantly white and male, and on average have a grade 12 education. Bored in school, very adept with computers and technology, they download scripts or hack into systems with the intent to vandalize or disrupt systems.

3. Professional Criminals, or Crackers: These guys make a living breaking into systems and selling the information. They might get hired for corporate or government espionage. They may also have ties to organized criminal groups.

4. Coders and Virus Writers: Not a lot of research has been done on these guys. They like to see themselves as an elite. They have a lot of programming background and write code but won't use it themselves. They have their own networks to experiment with, which they call "Zoos." They leave it to others to introduce their codes into "The Wild," or the Internet.

Underlying the psyche of the criminal hacker may be a deep sense of inferiority. Consequently, the mastery of computer technology, or the shut down of a major site, might give them a sense of power. "It's a population that takes refuge in computers because of their problems sustaining real world relationships," says Post. "Causing millions of dollars of damage is a real power trip."

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Posted 11 December 2002 - 08:58 PM

well -- it should be interesting to see - just an hour to go (and then some RFA a little later? oh boy happy hacker entertainment night!)

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Posted 11 December 2002 - 09:59 PM

anyone else seen enough?

...and who the fuck is captain zap? lol

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Posted 11 December 2002 - 10:11 PM

eh so far nothing special - although seeing the internet security center was neat.

and was captain zap wardriving in the back of a pickup? with two laptops? oh my. he must have had integrated wifi cards - i didnt see any?


and captain zap is damn old school - i remember reading about him in the hacker hall of fame way back before TLC/Discovery channel were like..one thing and discovery channel had it on their old site.

and who the hell's the guy with the bandana around his face? oh he must be a "black hat" :roll:

ok it's back on!

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Posted 11 December 2002 - 10:23 PM

Or possibly the kid from the mail room...but stop questioning the show, just
accept that the kid can do anything :)

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Posted 11 December 2002 - 10:59 PM

well, I will write up my full review soon. :spam:

:pissright: so far, this is a bunch of shit. :pissleft: very, very disappointing.

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I don't think they defined white hats correctly, but that is my opinion. There was a guy at the end that seemed to "get it" but he didn't show much credibility.

but I did manage to find a few good things in there. I gained a lot more respect that I already had for the EFF.

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Posted 11 December 2002 - 11:01 PM

ok, no, just just NO!

this is a mirror for every other "hacker show" that these guys show. Sure, some cool shit, like that briefcase computer thing, and the EFF guy was good. But that zap fucker, and that waht, fire what ever? i must say this, but WHAT THE FUCK! i really thought they had something, but no. total crap.

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Posted 11 December 2002 - 11:04 PM

I cannot wait to get a screencap of that "black hat" kid. what a fukking TOOL! Does anyone else think he looked like the white rapper kid who just got kicked off of puff daddys lame-ass "making the band" show?

I tried to tape it but was unable to confirm it yet. My system is all apart b/c of fiddling with the video camera. Did anyone else get a good copy?

For those are interested, it runs again several times later this week.

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Posted 11 December 2002 - 11:11 PM

Who wants to hop on the back of a truck and bring their computers along?

Sorry, lame egotistical fat asses named Zap not allowed :)

Seriously now, compare this show to the last "Hackers" show TLC put on and you'll see several differences. The last show focused on the positive side, how these people were bettering the world around them...but all the while they hinted at the fact that hackers today aren't like this, they're just downright evil. And then this newest installment confirms that, by showing hackers as an evil threat that must be monitored from a "Central Control Room."

My favorite part? The slowdown on the backbone...IT'S HEADING FOR NORTH AMERICA!

It may never be known if hackers were the true culprits behind this...but for a few seconds, white hats caught a glimpse of what they fear most...

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Posted 11 December 2002 - 11:22 PM

stank, i have a copy. if anyone wants it, which i would hope not, then mail me.

and yes, the guy in the back of the truck with not one but TWO laptops was soooo l33t. come on. :omfg: :omfg: :omfg: :omfg: :omfg: :omfg: :omfg: :omfg: :omfg: :omfg:

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Posted 12 December 2002 - 12:23 AM

my TV decided to poop out today. So I had to use this one TV thats fucked up too. Every channel was scrambled.. you can barely see anything.. but the audio is perfect. So I watched a scrambled version of the show. It had its ups.. but it had its downs too. Pretty much like every other hacker show ever made.

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Posted 12 December 2002 - 12:35 AM

Is anyone going to be recording and encoding this to put up somewhere? I want to watch it but its on right in the middle of taken =/ Decisions decisions.

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Posted 12 December 2002 - 12:56 AM

well it's re-airing right now - definately a good choice to pick Taken (glad my roommies taped it for me to watch later)

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Posted 12 December 2002 - 12:58 AM

I think ill watch outlaws and angels ... i mean taken IS on 3 times a night :)

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Posted 12 December 2002 - 02:02 AM

Taken...Hacker show...Taken...Hacker show...

...ahh, porn!

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Posted 12 December 2002 - 03:05 AM

Yeh, I taped it on VHS, on the off chance that it was gonna' be something really kewl . . . *Shrug* Nothing special, but it was OK. I liked how they blamed hackers for P2P file-sharing . . . And the guy who said "The difference between hackers and crackers is that crackers are really malicious, and they hide behind a psuedonym, which is something no hacker would do." O_o. But I guess definitions vary, ne, omae? Another funny thing was the nameless guy with the black hat and bandanna on [To protect his identity. *Rolling Eyes*], who very well could've just been the kid they send to get coffee, as they never told you what exactly he did. ^_^

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Posted 12 December 2002 - 03:28 AM

Wow, other than the fact that I missed RFA, I guess I'm kinda glad I forgot today was Wednesday and that show was on. Taken won hands down for me.

Damn, 2 years of no tv, then all of a sudden I find a halfway decent time consumer :)




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