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Posted by StankDawg , 12 February 2010 · 2 views

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I had some people in my life last year that were Canadians. Now, I have other Canadian friends here as well and I had never thought that there was any animosity between our countries. I mean, I had no problem with Canada (or Canadia as I jokingly refer to it). I may not agree with their form of government or some of their lifestyle differences, but I certainly respect them. They are not a bad country. What they do, works for them and God bless them for that.

But those Canadians did seem to have horrible animosity towards the United States. I had to constantly ask them to watch the US bashing around me. I don't know if they are getting brainwashed by their own media or if they are just arrogant as a society or what. Luckily, as I said earlier, I have some other Canadians friend in real life. They inform me that most Canadians don't feel animosity towards the United states at all. And When I thought about that I realized that the same holds true for Americans. Most of us don't think poorly of Canada at all. But there are a few vocal minorities here that seem to have some hatred and distaste for Canada. I usually label these Americans as kooks and extremists for the most part. After realizing that, I also labeled these Canadians that I dealt with as kooks as well. I did not let their negativity influence me any more than I let other Americans influence me with their anti-Canadian rhetoric either. But I do understand it a little more now. I mean, if their experience with Canadians was anything like mine, I can see why they have such feelings. If I did not have Canadian friends outside of those that I dealt with last year, I would probably be pretty bitter towards them myself based on this experience.

Luckily, I instead decided to examine the root cause and investigate. I asked my friends here and others who have had issues with Canadians and I have come to the conclusion that I just had a run-in with a bad group of Canadians. They were all lazy, arrogant Generation X slackers (and they ironically bashed Gen Y as spoiled "vapid twits") that simply wanted someone to blame in life. They blame the US for all of the problems in the world because we have, admittedly, been involved in some questionable wars and conflicts over the years. At the same time, we are sending billions into Haiti to help the earthquake victims. Some people put on blinders to the good because they want so badly to have something to be indignant about. Haters are always going to find something to hate. Some people are just negative by nature.

I would like to know why. I am just curious like that (I am a hacker after all). Maybe if they saw the root cause, they would open their eyes and realize it and change. This particular group of people, as I said before, were lazy "gen-X" folks who had not really accomplished much in life. They get by and make a living, but that is about it. I cannot say that they ever helped anyone or did anything to improve or benefit society. The Canadian government provides so much for them that it becomes easy to become a leech on the system there. They get enough to get by in life from a minimum wage job and the government handouts (which is actually money from the 99% of good people in Canada who do work hard and strive for better things) but they aren't really prospering. This is the same with the welfare system in this country. These services exists to give you the minimum to survive. If you don't like the minimum, then get some ambition and move up in life. That is what I did. I grew up poor. I got an education. I got out of it. Do Canadians have that same opportunity? It sure looks like they do. If they do not, then come down here to the US (which many of them do). We always have room for hard working people! Despite the vocal minority of anti-Canada rhetoric mentioned earlier, I would be the first one to extend my hand and welcome you here.

Basically, I think it is simply the caliber of person you are dealing with. Some people are just low-class (which has nothing to do with job or finances) and have bad attitudes and have their hand out. IT is just a universal truth and has nothing to do with the countries at all. People just need someone to blame for their own inadequacies and in this case, it is to point at another country who seems to have more than you. Really it is no different than the same mentality and animosity that some of these middle Eastern countries have for us. Is Canada poised to attack next? :)

It is the old story of the ant and the grasshopper. The ants work all day and get ahead and then the grasshopper just mooches of of the ants. The people that I dealt with were the grasshoppers and they are just bitching about how the ant is holding them down and how unfair it is that the government does not give them as much as the ant earned for itself via hard work. They view the United states as the ant and this animosity grows. I really don't think it is between the countries, I think it is between a few individuals with bad attitudes on both sides.

That is just my theory based on a handful of people that I dealt with last year. I know that we have some Canadians here on binrev and a couple of them are really great people who I like and respect like Seal and Aghaster. I would love to hear the opinions of any Canadians on binrev and although we may not be able to change the world view, maybe we can educate people here on binrev about why there is such anti-American and anti-Canadian sentiment between our two countries.




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As a Canadian (Well, Québécois) I think I have to reply to this. Yeah, I'd say that a lot of Canadians have anti-american feelings. It's mostly because of war and stuff we see on TV such as religious fanatics fighting gay rights or people still debating the question of abortion, or even worse, retarded people who think creationism is a theory based on scientific facts. Oh, and did I mention that you guys still have capital punishment? Besides those "hot" topics that would likely make myself get shot on the spot, you also have a piece-of-shit healthcare, and you guys actually don't want to change it. Yeah, Canadians often complain about the quality of their free healthcare, but god, at least it's free and it works. The crappy healthcare is the primary reason why I would NOT want to live in the states. The funniest thing is how you guys make the equation "free healthcare == road to communism". Seriously, wtf? We're not communists and we have free healthcare.

Ok, I have to say that the Canadian society has been americanized a lot recently to the point where I feel that a lot of the things Canadian will blame on Americans, we also do. For instance, it's commonplace to think that Americans are fat people always eating fast food. Well, we've pretty much caught up on you guys, we eat a lot of fast food too now and we also have obesity problems. Our prime minister is pretty much like a Canadian version of Bush, who makes us look like fucking retards in front of the entire world, especially at Copenhagen. Here is where the line is drawn between French Canadian and English Canadian culture. If Quebec was a country, we'd never have Stephen Harper as our prime minister. Conservatives are more concentrated in Western Canada, not Quebec.

As for the prosperity, I'd say that in French Canadian culture it is the side effect of our catholic past (most people do not believe anymore, but at some point the catholic church was very strong in Quebec). In that past education, people would believe "money == evil". I think there is a lot of room for prosperity in Canada, but because of those leftovers in the mindset of people, it's going to take some time before people actually do not think of money as being evil and have no fear in investing or just wanting to earn tons of money and become rich. It's stupid, as we all want to be rich but we feel bad about money. It's a love-hate relationship that is oddly defined.

By the way, I do not hate Americans themselves. Most Americans are actually really nice people.
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lol. its amerika what do you expect of the healthcare system? its run buy a bunch of con artists, but in all fairness it isnt all that bad besides them trying to weasel out of paying for the bills, in service its fine, its a pretty good system i mean if you get hurt and can pay for it you can go to the hospital and get good service. but again its amerika i.e. capitalism i.e. buy everything at less than its worth sell everything for more than its worth rip everyone off capitalism economy ofcourse the companies will try to get out of payin bills/providing said service in hopes of maximum profit. its amerika thats literally what everyone wanted in capitalism. and as for amerikans thinking that free healthcare=communism thats because they are ignorant and confuse the communism economy with past governments of said communistic economy bodies i.e. soviet russia where everyon one would get health care/jobs/welfare where everyone shares in the wealth, but it is literally redistributing wealth to pay for said bills which is what socialism? just because they take a negative aspect is because they associat it with people that have done bad with such a system in the past which would be why they would see it as a derogative term, but it is not technically a lie/false. as it is socialism but it isnt bad/evil totalitarian government socialism which means they should just stfu.
not being a canadian i couldnt say why they would feel a hatred for americons but i would have to say it might deal with that fact that ALOT of americons feel the need to have a nationalist pride in amerika and how its the greatest country in the world and everyone else sucks and has no rights and is evil but thats just the midwest uncultured/traveled people.
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Feb 13 2010 10:23 PM

lol. its amerika what do you expect of the healthcare system? its run buy a bunch of con artists, but in all fairness it isnt all that bad besides them trying to weasel out of paying for the bills, in service its fine, its a pretty good system i mean if you get hurt and can pay for it you can go to the hospital and get good service. but again its amerika i.e. capitalism i.e. buy everything at less than its worth sell everything for more than its worth rip everyone off capitalism economy ofcourse the companies will try to get out of payin bills/providing said service in hopes of maximum profit. its amerika thats literally what everyone wanted in capitalism. and as for amerikans thinking that free healthcare=communism thats because they are ignorant and confuse the communism economy with past governments of said communistic economy bodies i.e. soviet russia where everyon one would get health care/jobs/welfare where everyone shares in the wealth, but it is literally redistributing wealth to pay for said bills which is what socialism? just because they take a negative aspect is because they associat it with people that have done bad with such a system in the past which would be why they would see it as a derogative term, but it is not technically a lie/false. as it is socialism but it isnt bad/evil totalitarian government socialism which means they should just stfu.
not being a canadian i couldnt say why they would feel a hatred for americons but i would have to say it might deal with that fact that ALOT of americons feel the need to have a nationalist pride in amerika and how its the greatest country in the world and everyone else sucks and has no rights and is evil but thats just the midwest uncultured/traveled people.


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As a Canadian (Well, Québécois) I think I have to reply to this. Yeah, I'd say that a lot of Canadians have anti-american feelings. It's mostly because of war and stuff we see on TV such as religious fanatics fighting gay rights or people still debating the question of abortion, or even worse, retarded people who think creationism is a theory based on scientific facts. Oh, and did I mention that you guys still have capital punishment? Besides those "hot" topics that would likely make myself get shot on the spot, you also have a piece-of-shit healthcare, and you guys actually don't want to change it. Yeah, Canadians often complain about the quality of their free healthcare, but god, at least it's free and it works. The crappy healthcare is the primary reason why I would NOT want to live in the states. The funniest thing is how you guys make the equation "free healthcare == road to communism". Seriously, wtf? We're not communists and we have free healthcare.

By the way, I do not hate Americans themselves. Most Americans are actually really nice people.


I don't think I used the word communist anywhere. You are guys are a socialist democracy. I get this. No one said otherwise.

Interestingly enough, you committed the same America bashing that a lot of Canadians do (which surprised me from you). You went from listing things to passing judgement against people with whom you disagree. So what if people are pro or anti abortion or whether or not they believe in creationism? Why would you call them "retarded" (Apparently, you aren't supposed to use that word anymore) simply because they believe differently from you? The same with capital punishment. That is just opinions and Americans are split on that topic as well. You also went on to call our healthcare a "piece of shit". That is not constructive conversation, that is America bashing. I would wager that you don't even know anything about our health care. I would love to educate you on that topic one day, but you actually made my point about how easily Canadians attack America. I tried to have a normal intelligent conversation about it here and you resort to insults and name calling.

Maybe that really is just the Canadian way? A difference in culture? If I say that I think American health care is better (which I do despite some problems) does that make me a stupid American? It sounds like, from your response, that I am "retarded".
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You're right Stankdawg, anti-American sentiments are pretty prominent here. Its so entrenched that it finds its way in popular culture, such as with the popular segment on the hit-show "This Hour Has 22 Minutes" called "Talking to Americans."

Whatever is at this animosity's root, its not through any overt cause. Though there are political frictions between the two nations (esp. with territorial waters and the recent lumber dispute), none of it is polarizing enough to account for the visible animosity that exists with the general Canadian public.

What I can say is that Americans count among some of the nicest people I've ever met. My theory is that this disparaging view of Americans is due to Canada's very own closeness to the US. Perhaps we're so similar from a cultural standpoint that we also expect Americans to share the same values as us, which is an entirely inappropriate sentiment. Perhaps its linked to an inferiority complex. Who knows.

What I can say is that most Canadians have experienced one or more negative experiences with an American, and that seems to fuel the sense of animosity. Usually, that sentiment is linked to a form of cultural awareness.

I'll give some personal anecdotes that those around me have used to substantiate their negative feelings towards Americans.

  • I worked in the tourism business. An American once got upset at me because I spoke French in a bilingual commentary.
  • Another got upset that I didn't speak "American" first.
  • An American pointed to the Parliament, and asked what church that was.
  • Another American pointed to Quebec, and asked if it was another country. He didn't know how many countries there were in North America.
  • I worked in a coffee shop. An American once got really pissed at me because we only accepted Canadian money (and not American dollars.)
  • In rural Argentina, I'd encountered a really lonely individual. He was an American that had moved there because he had thought it would be great, but a year on, had still not even tried to learn Spanish. In rural Argentina, no one speaks English.
  • My dad was walking around town in the summer. An American with skiis on his roof stopped his car beside him, and asked him where all the snow was.
The above listed experiences were isolated cases. But combine such events with people's ability to generalize, top it off with a pre-existing anti-American sentiment, and you have a volatile mixture.

Anywho, like I said - Americans count among some of the best people I've ever had the fortune of meeting. I don't share the same values as my American friends, nor do I agree with its government, but Americans themselves are feckin' awesome :)
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What I can say is that most Canadians have experienced one or more negative experiences with an American, and that seems to fuel the sense of animosity. Usually, that sentiment is linked to a form of cultural awareness.

I'll give some personal anecdotes that those around me have used to substantiate their negative feelings towards Americans.

  • I worked in the tourism business. An American once got upset at me because I spoke French in a bilingual commentary.
  • Another got upset that I didn't speak "American" first.
  • An American pointed to the Parliament, and asked what church that was.
  • Another American pointed to Quebec, and asked if it was another country. He didn't know how many countries there were in North America.
  • I worked in a coffee shop. An American once got really pissed at me because we only accepted Canadian money (and not American dollars.)
  • In rural Argentina, I'd encountered a really lonely individual. He was an American that had moved there because he had thought it would be great, but a year on, had still not even tried to learn Spanish. In rural Argentina, no one speaks English.
  • My dad was walking around town in the summer. An American with skiis on his roof stopped his car beside him, and asked him where all the snow was.
The above listed experiences were isolated cases. But combine such events with people's ability to generalize, top it off with a pre-existing anti-American sentiment, and you have a volatile mixture.


As you already stated, those were isolated incidents. If it is any consolation, I (as an American) would be a little facepalmed at them as well. Also, FWIW, I live in Orlando which is a tourist mecca so I see this all the time. I usually find it cute and just smile and educate them instead of passing judgment on them.

In terms of having some bad interactions with Americans/Canadians, that was really the point of the original post. I had some bad experiences with some Canadians recently and luckily I caught myself and realized that I should not be making blanket judgment calls. I could type up a list right now just like your of things that this dumbass thought and said about the US that would blow your mind. I mean it, they would ignore facts staring them in the face. One example was that we are horribly racist in the US and than any minority had no chance of survival here...this despite the evidence that I work with several women from the top of the company on down, many older people, several black people, a few Indians, even someone from the Ivory Coast of Africa, and my boss (let me repeat my BOSS) who is both black and a woman. The fact is that there are ignorant Canadians just like there are ignorant Americans. I think we would have better relations between our two countries if the individuals like you and I acknowledged that we should judge people individually instead of a a group.

It doesn't help when your television has such segments as you described. Here, people would write letters and protest any show were the scripts reversed (see Fox News and the fallout that they get on similar topics). In Canada, it seems to be not only allowed, but part of the culture. Why is that not considered "hate speech" by your laws?
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To clarify my opinion on the subject: I do not hate Americans.

Something that is hard to make understand to Americans though are the reasons why anti-Americanism exists in Canada. I'm giving here a list of things that I think contribute to it, but don't fall into the trap of trying to refute or argue them, as what causes such feeling is mostly based on perception and not your opinion of the thing. In other words, if an American wants to understand why people hate them, they must forget about what they think of America and try to think as a non-American. This means, for instance, that if I say war in Iraq is not a popular war in Canada, you have to understand it from the point of view of a Canadian, not an American, and not try to justify the war and then wtf why aren't Canadians agreeing with it.

What happens is that America has a much larger and diverse population than Canada, and has all sorts of weird people (the extreme cases). The problem is that those extreme weird cases happen to appear on TV very often, and that a lot of Canadians will watch those shows and think that Americans are really fucked up crazy people, because that's most of what they see about them. TV shows like Maury and Dr. Phil are a good example where you see a bunch of crazy stubborn people that just go make fools of themselves on TV. Other TV shows like Wife Swap really do not help, as they are also selecting the most fucked up people at total opposites. I do not say that those shows are representative of America, but they do project an image that makes a lot of people think that Americans have all sorts of fucked up people. From Seal's reply, you can see it's not very hard to collect of couple of anecdotes of stupid Americans, and that's what a lot of Canadians will retain. Again, this is just an impression that outsiders get of America, and is not representative of Americans.

When it's not crazy people on TV, all you need to do is watch the news to get another bad impression of America. If it's not of some random law where Canadians feel like America is just the big Giant and we can only follow them, such as this small clause in Obama's plan for economic recovery that would say Canadians contractors were not allowed to make offers for contracts from the US government (hey, you know protectionism is a trap that doesn't work, right?), then it can be some other thing about how Americans behave with other countries. A lot of people feel like America acts as if they are the world police, teaching other countries democracy. Democracy is a good ideal, but the message is sent in a weird manner. For instance, Iraq, why did the US invade it? It's quite unclear how it came to that. Yeah, Saddam Hussein was a jerk, and the people are much better without him. But is that what they originally said? No, because Saddam was obviously hiding weapons of mass destruction that were never found, but you guys decided to invade it anyway. Oh, and hey, Osama is still in the wild, right? Instead of invading Afghanistan and then Iraq, couldn't have you just concentrated on getting Osama first?

You can't deny that the true motivations for the invasion of Iraq are unclear, and that's why it's not a popular war in Canada. Was it really because you guys wanted to free those people from Saddam? I have some doubts about that. There are a lot of dictators in the world, why don't you go kick their asses now, and why didn't you do it before if you like doing so? That's a good example of playing the world police.

Now, if you go to watch an American movie, about half the time (I must be rounding that really low) the movie ends with some cheesy patriotic American morale where America is good and bla bla bla. It may enforce your patriotic feeling when you watch movies, but for the rest of the world it's another way of saying how the American culture is centered around itself, where America is the best of all countries. It's good to be proud of your country, but by looking at how you guys act with foreign countries, you project a huge impression of thinking you are the world's police, teaching other countries what to do, because you are so good and you know what is good for others.

Again, this is just a big explanation of why outsiders get an impression of America that isn't very pretty. Americans are nice people, and I do not hate them. Read this while trying to put yourself in the place of a foreigner if you want to stand a chance of understanding why anti-Americanism exists. It's not a matter of who's right, it's just how things are what you impression you project to the rest of the world.
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Aghaster, I can totally see that some of the things we do may not look like the right thing to outsiders. Hell, it does not look right to a lot of us insiders (Americans) either! But the difference is that I can freely admit, "yep, we fucked that up!" or "Man, I wish we had not done this." but at the same time see all of the good things that we do as well. I do not have to be proud of EVERYTHING that we do, but I can be proud of the GOOD things that we do. Why does your post mention the war and invasions and such but does not mention the humanitarian things that we have done? We don't get credit for any of that right? Because people ASSUME that we are only doing anything good for some ulterior motive. That just isn't fair. What motive do we have to be in Haiti right now? We have a ton of problems in our own country (see how I admitted that? but God forbid I say that Canadian healthcare is not all that it is cracked up to be...which I know firsthand from using it that it is not.) yet we still go help typhoon victims and earthquake victim and starving people in Africa and aids education and prevention so much other stuff. But I am not allowed to be proud of that for some reason.

To me, I find that we are in an unfair position where if we get involved, people hate us for doing it. If we don't get involved people hate us for not doing anything. We can't win! No matter what we do, we cannot win. It is for this reason that I wish the US would just GTFO of the United Nations altogether. We should keep our money inside of our own country and take care of our own people and problems first. If the rest of the world wants to commit genocide, then let them. I am sorry, but I am at the point where I don't want to help anymore because we always get burned and insulted for it. So I am perfectly fine to step away and let the world sort itself out. It is true that we seem to be the worlds police and I fucking hate that. I don't want that and I don't agree with that and never have. I have some understanding of why we end up in that position, but if we just get out of the UN I think that would solve everything from my point of view.

I don't want to convert anyone or change their minds, but I want them to see the reasons and then if they know the full story, and still disagree, then great. I have nothing but respect for that. But if you are going to base your opinions and pass your judgement based on "Dr Phil" and "Wifeswap" then how do you think that makes you look like to Americans? Thats like me getting my political opinions from the Jerry Springer Show! You judge us by our FICTIONAL television shows and extreme reality bullshit? We laugh and scoff at those shows just as much as you do. We watch them, just as disgusted as you do. To reverse the logic, thats like me basing my opinion on Canada on the TV show segment "Talking to Americans" that Seal mentioned. It that what I should do? Because that is what it sounds like Canadians are doing to us. We, however, can tell the difference between reality and television. ;)

Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. America makes mistakes and I don't think anyone denies that. Newsflash: So does Canada! But we don't seem to bash Canada as much as Canada bashes us. That just my view. And for the record, this is good conversation and I don't want anyone to think that I am angry or have any personal beef about it. I find it intriguing and am really trying to understand it. So far, I am not convinced that we deserve the attitude that we get from Canada. Hating America is just the trendy thing to do these days.
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No, Americans don't deserve the flack they get from many Canadians and other people across the world. Let's lay out the positives: Americans have been at the heart of countless invaluable innovations over the last century and a half, Americans went to the motherfuckin' moon, Americans donate more than any nation *and* accept more total immigrants than any country. If America didn't exist, this world would be a very different place - and not for the better.

Like I said, I don't hate Americans. Awesome people.
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everyone is biased and bases decisions of said bais. one particular bias i tend to hate is from people that dont live in america in some ignorance that its america in iraq/afghanistan or it was america in vietnam in korea no if some one researched for 5 minutes it wouldnt be too hard to find out it was infact nato forces not american, as in some of you people are contributing to these "american" wars which arent wars but again nato police actions, if it was war as you like to make it out to be it would be like shermans all out war, with mass civilian casualties and they would have been defeated in like 6 months to a year. no the nato forces are asking locals if they have seen anyone suscpisios and if they know people that are harboring terrorists and w.e. they arent shooting every single person they see stabbing people burning down buildings and w.e. you like to think.
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No, Americans don't deserve the flack they get from many Canadians and other people across the world. Let's lay out the positives: Americans have been at the heart of countless invaluable innovations over the last century and a half, Americans went to the motherfuckin' moon, Americans donate more than any nation *and* accept more total immigrants than any country. If America didn't exist, this world would be a very different place - and not for the better.

Like I said, I don't hate Americans. Awesome people.


Thats all I have been saying. No one needs to worship us...I just wish people would stop bagging on us so much. :laugh:

And for the record, there is a lot that I like about Canada as well. Of course we are going to always see things differently, but that is just it "different" is not necessarily "better" or "worse". Difference should not lead to hate.
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actually theres something like 142 canadian soldier deaths in afghanistan so far. so whats wrong with you canadians thinking you ca go show everybody democrocy?
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Oh well...the final solution to the American-Canadian issue will be solved this afternoon...NBC is streaming the the Hockey Gold Final at 12:15 PST or 3:15 EST.
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Oh well...the final solution to the American-Canadian issue will be solved this afternoon...NBC is streaming the the Hockey Gold Final at 12:15 PST or 3:15 EST.

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