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You can have my gun when you pry it out of my cold, dead fingers.

Posted by StankDawg , 26 March 2010 · 265 views

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I am an "American constitutionalist". I believe in the constitution from top to bottom and consider it one of the greatest documents ever written. This country was founded under it and grew and prospered under it. Recently, we have been going away from that very foundation that made us great and look at what is happening to our country. We are falling to pieces economically, morally, and structurally. Americans are starting to finally wake up to problems that we have had for the past 30+ years. I am glad that people are starting to see the light. I only hope that it isn't too late.

To ensure that it isn't too late, I have recently re--embraced my rights granted to me in the bill of rights (aka the preamble) of my constitution. Particularly, the second amendment. People who know me know that I am a big believer in the first amendment which, as every knows (or should know) is freedom of speech. I find it funny that many people support this 1st amendment, but they are against the second amendment. As the saying goes, the 1st amendment is so important, that the second amendment was made to guarantee it.

I think that a lot of people jump onto political party agenda bandwagons without realizing WHY this amendment exists. You have to have a grasp on the history of our country to get it. We left to form our new country to get away from a government that was repressive. We didn't want to be told what we could or could not say or think. We did not want to be forced into a certain particular religion or any religion for that matter. This is not the role of the government. These things were so important that they were written as the foundation to our constitution. Originally started as the "Constitution of Virginia" which was written in my home state, it was solid for 200+ years and I would argue, still solid to this day.

Today, in 2010, we have been witnessing a government that has been repressive to say the least. In my opinion, we have been losing our rights slowly but surely over the last 30+ years. The government has been taking over some of the most important institutions on our lives. They run things like our banking system (The Federal Reserve), our Housing industry (Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac), our health care (which looks privatized, but permitted to only a few companies by the government. and who knows what will happen to it now), our transportation systems (Federal Aviation Administration, Department of Transportation), and our communications (the Federal Communications Commission).

Look at those things. Now look at where all of the problems are in the United States right now. Do you see a pattern? The pattern is that WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING RIGHT!! I don't mind some socialization, it is not about that. I just don't trust this government to do it right. This government is screwing this country up so badly that I cannot even put it into words and we have sat by all of this time and let it happen. The sad thing is that 99.9% of us are still standing by and letting this happen because we are simply oblivious to the way things work. Americans are lazy, unmotivated, and uneducated and because of this apathy, those of us who see the truth are prisoners of our own government.

Not me. Fuck that.

Back to my second amendment rights... The second amendment is not just the right to bear arms. It is not some Warmongering mindset that America has been labeled with. We don't want guns because we a re a bunch of hellraisers. that is not what that amendment was written for. It wasn't for wars. It wasn't for hunting. It wasn't so that we could kill each other or become barbarians. Quite the opposite. Read these words carefully.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The key words here are "necessary to the security of a free state". You see, our forefathers knew that the government that they were escaping form had repressed them leaving no way to rebel and stand up once things had gotten too far. This amendment was written, and made number 2 on the list, because they realized how important it was that they did not allow that to happen again. This right allows us to bear arms not to protect ourselves against outsiders but for something much more important. It allows us to protect ourselves from our own government. All of the other reasons mentioned above are important also, but this was the true reason that it was written.

This is what I have chosen to do. I already had guns as a kid. When you live in the country, and in the South, you grow up around guns. But my guns were for mostly hunting. Now, I have purchased some guns for my own protection. Now before you thinking I am going into full kook mode, let me clarify one thing very clearly. I HOPE THAT I NEVER HAVE TO USE THESE GUNS!!! Sincerely. All of the stuff that I am talking about here is not part of some nut job columbine scheme nor am I going postal. what I am doing is simply exercising my rights as an American citizen before this right, like many others, gets taken away as well.

It is happening people. I don't understand why so many people are blind to it when it is right in front of your eyes. You have rights and if you don't use them, you may lose them. Luckily for me, I am using mine and as to paraphrase the true sentiment of what says in the subject of this post...

"You can have my RIGHTS when you pry them from my cold dead hands."

WTF! Where did this come from Stank? Please don't tell me this is because of health care reform...Supreme court ruled recently(DC handgun case) along the interpretation that you have on gun rights so there is no jeopardy whatsoever that someone will take your gun from you. I consider myself a progressive but in contrast to most progressives I support gun rights as has been interpreted. In small to moderate homogeneous populations gun control can work but in a large multi-cultural civilization that stresses individual rights, gun ownership works to help sustain as fundamental those rights.

What I'm more worried about is the timing here. Ever since Obama was elected the Republican right has been going crazy...birthers...and since then whole movements have developed...Tea Party...and now since Universal Health Care has been passed the vehement hatred of what he represents is overflowing in certain quarters.

So the worry here with you is that this is tied into those current movements. Generally, white males of the Glen Beck type or O'reily type are going ape shit and "discovering" ideologies as a form of resistance to the changing world they live in. Usually this is some cover for more malevolent thoughts and feelings on how the world should be ran. For instance, the constitution was always meant to be an evolving document..."constitutionalists" generally (not saying that is your case) look to the constitution and read into it reactivity rather than proactively. I am suspicious of all reactive movements as they are usually forebringers of fascist ideologies. The only way to embrace the world is by moving forward...looking back to some "bygone era" is at best fallacious and at worst delusional. Some constitutionalists types I know almost read into the Constitution like it is the Bible or something...unfortunately the constitution is limited in what it can answer as it is written. It isn't a panacea of all possible solutions to the country's and world's problems now and in the future. This proves to me that people like this are viewing the document improperly, almost mystically and running away from actually solving the problem. That is, when you make something nearly magical or supernatural you are also taking it out of this world and also its problems meaning that you don't have to deal with the burden of the world it created. Instead, you can preach about a "lost age" (that never really existed) that we all need to get back to even though it is an impossible task. This is very harmful as this energy could be used to solve the current problems or if impossible to solve minimize their impact.

I'm not a democrat...I don't really subscribe to any core ideology...at best I'm a combination of Green/Libertarian if you can imagine. No ideology has the answer hence the success of capitalism it blends the best of all ideas and quantizes their value. Essentially, any system that upholds human dignity and value as prime is worth my support. But Bush destroyed this country which is another reason why I'm suspicious of all these generally middle class, rural or suburban white people "discovering" politics (BTW, I'm white but from the inner city). If they truly cared about this country they would have worked as hard as possible to get rid of Bush who single-handedly destroyed this country like he destroyed the companies he ran before. He created the deficits that we now have to deal with and allowed China to rise in a manner detrimental to the world economy, among a whole host of other things.

And so back to my original worry, why weren't you going "crazy" over the course of the country back then? Your other blog posts indicate some very xenophobic "good old boy" views such as the one on Canada and the other one regarding how you can't stand how people hate the US.

Please Stank, tell me you aren't considering running your local Tea Party chapter. (or that I'm reading too much into what you are doing :biggrin: )
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BWAHAHAHAHA....umm...no, the tea party actually pisses me off to be honest. I was on board with the idea of "Tea Parties" back when Ron Paul was running and I supported him and they had real significance. Back then, Fox news called Ron Paul a "kook" and treated him like a crazy man. Now, suddenly, they are all on board with the tea party movement which is really just some bastardized rally cry for the republican party.

As far as this being a new thing for me, it is not. I have had a Gadsden flag hanging outside of my house since I moved to Orlando almost 5 years ago. Long before the Glen Becks of the world knew what a Gadsden flag even was (if they even know now). I have owned guns all my life and I only recently bought a few MORE guns, that's all. But for all of the sudden frenzy of the right, there is also a frenzy of activity from the left that I also do not support. One of those things is gun control. I tried my best to stop a lot of things that I mentioned above. I voted for people who I thought would represent me as best as I could. I educate people (or I try to, most zealots already have their minds made up and are a waste of breath) about these topics all the time.

So no, this is not over health care. I think that we SHOULD have a form of health care in this country. I don't think this particular bill is the best way to do it, but that doesn't matter now. It got passed and that is that. My recent gun purchases are unrelated to health care. As I tried to explain earlier, it is about a LOT of things that are going wrong in this country. Health care is a small thing that is part of a bigger issue and that is our government making decisions without having the best interest of the people in mind. This health care bill, like most other bills, was not created to help the people. It was made to help politicians and corporations get more money. That is another debate for another post. The issue at hand here, is the pattern of the US government overstepping it bounds repeatedly and infringing on my rights. I have taken steps to defend the rest of my rights. Thank God that the second amendment gives me that freedom to do so.

So when the Tea party crazies *DO* rise up and go crazy on the world, I will be protecting myself from them, from the government, and from anyone else who threatens me. I have to look out for myself. No one else in the world does. I'm all alone here. Recent events in my life have proven that to me so I make no apologies for doing what I have to do to survive.
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Wonderful Stank, that's all I wanted to hear. I can now wipe the cold sweat off of my eyebrows...I had thought due to the timing and all that you had succumbed to the Dark Side. :tongue:
I was in Nevada recently and had an opportunity to confront a few "staunch" Tea Party types. As you can imagine the Bay Area doesn't have too many although there are some pockets of right wing extremism here that you wouldn't expect. Apparently, Nevada is a hotbed for this stuff and I was shocked by the utterly demented views they held. It was the closest I've come to blows with someone in a long while. These people and their views are extinct and they DO know it that is why they are so bitter and hate filled.

Anyway, congrats on your election as the local Orlando (or wherever you are) Tea Party Chief (or whatever it is called; perhaps Stirrer)... :rolleyes:
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I'm with you on this one stank, nobody will ever take our guns. And if they want to try, there will be an army of revolutionist like you to back eachother up. The government will be made aware of what a single man can do when he puts his mind to it.
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the united states only has half of a second amendment. by that i am saying they inringe to much on what you can own, by that i am saying fully automatic weapons, sure they are dangerous and shouldnt be owned by everyone but then again if they were tougher on criminals of said types of crime there has been studies that show said crime rate tends to be lower. by that i am saying you cant really rebel if they tried to take our guns away, for they have ar-15's mp5's, m16's/m4's grenades/bulletproof vests, tanks/humers/planes/helicopters/missiles/bombs while the public has like single shot rifles in the style of like a 1916 mauser that can hold 5 bullets, to something like a semi automatic rifle like an ak47/74, or if want bad enough spend like 50k on a full auto mg42 or something. we dont have good enough weapons to even try. we'd have to spawn a shiz load of black market travel for ak's and get like a million of them or something, as other wise id be like the united states military from now fighting like poland from ww1. as in there is a insanely small chance of any kind of sucess. its not like the civil war where they all had the same weapons, where the civies had the same rifles as the military, thats the only way for totally unorganized/untrainned public to have any chance of even trying, we do not have that chance anymore, the fight is allready lost, the american public is simply bending over and taking it.
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I like guns. They are fucking ace.

With that said, the 2nd amendment was originally meant to maintain a militia. A militia is evidently really important to the security of a free state, even though we haven't needed one in quite some time. =)

The question is, in the event some reason arises which compels you to "take up arms", will that be in defense of the State? Because you wrote that your armed defense may be against the State, which would subvert the justification clause in the 2nd amendment.

As for me, if some emergency event arises, i will be bearing arms in defense of the State. i just want to make that perfectly clear where anyone can see it. ;-)

Now, I'm probably going to assume that if see some guys who appear to be US military forces, they are probably foreign invaders trying to trick me. I'm just saying...
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As for me, if some emergency event arises, i will be bearing arms in defense of the State. i just want to make that perfectly clear where anyone can see it. ;-)

haha, sure sure, now define state :p.
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Aug 16 2010 03:40 AM
"a well regulated militia, being necessary to a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

lets break that down and do a sentance tree (remember from grade school?) "a well regulated militia, (coma denotes begging of descritive clause and seperator) being necessary to a free state, (coma close descriptive clause) the right of the people to keep and bear arms, (coma denotes end of item in a list or seperation) shall not be infringed."

what does that mean?

"a well regulated militia, being necessary to a free state, shall not be infringed."


"the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

we arent keeping guns for a militia we are simply keeping guns for our own safety. it also kinda means that the individual has all these rights (see the tenth ammended). so celebrities have the right to hire body guards (constitutes a small militia) bars have the right to hire bouncers ect ect.

oh and yes we can buy and own tanks just the same as everyone else. in fact the gov will sell you a M1 Abrams tank if you ask them (it might be cheaper to ask general dynamics though, first hand and cut out the middle man).
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